Tuesday, September 9, 2014

What's your orientation? Your chart shows you.

Talk about astrology and most of the time people know ' their sign' (the astrological sign of the sun). That is just part of what your chart tells you. The amount of information stops the majority on the way to learning astrology, so that the sun sign and sometimes the ascendant is all that they know. If they only had the drive to learn the symbols and look at their charts, they would be able to find the most important keys to themselves and their main characteristics. You can find them in your Astro ID like you can find them in the shape of your face, the scars and the color of your eyes. That is what your chart won't tell you (at least, not that I know of), but your chart can tell you:

1. Your general view of life itself (your orientation)
2. Your crucial values and objectives (planets on the angles)
3. Your motivation (Sun/Moon midpoint aspects)
For 2. and 3. you need to have your hour and place of birth (and your own personal chart, to be calculated for free on the internet).

So calculate that chart (for example on Astro.com) and learn or find the symbols. Here is the link to The Mountain Astrologer's site to help you on the way: http://www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/new_to_astro/beginners/symbols.html

Noel Tyl, in his book Vocations, points at the importance of what he names the 'oriental' planet, the planet rising before the sun. Here is how to find that point in your chart. Get your chart and find the Sun's symbol (a circle with a point in the middle).  Now move your finger clockwise in the circle (your finger moves to the right). What is the first object that you see? Found? Then search on the internet or buy books about the first planet rising before your sun! Or get an idea here! Was it...

Mercury? Well, like many of us, you would love to be a writer, but it will depend on Mercury's position (on an angle, without aspects, Out of Bounds) and your position in the world if you will succeed in communicating or being the 'intellectual'. So find the next planet.

Venus? You go for love, peace, beauty and happiness! The importance of estetics for your career or life style depends on a special position of Venus (on an angle, without aspects, Out of Bounds) and of course on your situation and place in society. You might just look for fun or beautiful women, at worse. So look at the next object. Move on that finger!

Mars? First, you want to DO something (about it). You are likely to be active, assertive and energetic enough to be an activist or soldier or entrepreneur. Or you are 'productive' (and more sexual active than the rest of us). Iron ladies have it (Margareth Thatcher). Read about it: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2009/04/mars-oriental-outer-planet-rising.html or see the post on the oriental Mars of Nicolas Anelka: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/06/nicolas-anelka-and-raymond-domenech.html and Johan Cruyff: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/03/el-presidente-johan-cruijff.html

If Mars is on the horizon or meridian, too or if Mars is Out of Bounds or not making any major aspect in sign or orb 5 degrees, this Mars will be even more important!

Jupiter? You are a positive person, looking forward to traveling, everything 'international' and/or publishing. Many internationals (in sports or football) have such a Jupiter, like Guus Hiddink (see the chart of his day of birth). More examples on this blog are:

1. http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/11/jupiter-zeppelins-and-lady.html ('Gracie' Hay Drummond-Hay)
2. http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/02/detroit-hero-jasper-schuringa-and.html (traveller who stopped terrorist on flight)
3. Belgian Queen Mathilde has it: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2009/04/most-charming-princess-mathilde.html. That, and a prominent Venus:)
4. Dutchman (107) living in Belgium, teacher English: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2009/03/107-year-old.html 
5. Criminal Joran van der Sloot is Dutch, born in Willemstad (Curacao island), is wanted in the USA and presently an inmate in Peru. Meanwhile he lived in Thailand for a while. The international...See the chart: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/11/mercury-square-jupiter-and-natal-chart.html
6. Author Oriana Fallaci's chart has Jupiter rising before the Sun: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/06/oriana-fallaci-born-june-29-and-vesta.html

If Jupiter is on the horizon or meridian, too or if Jupiter is Out of Bounds or not making any major aspect in sign or orb 5 degrees, this Mars will be even more important!

Saturn? You are classical:). For you it is Duty First! You follow your parents footsteps or try to walk the conventional ways. This makes you a perfect manager, caretaker for the elderly or scientist. Parenthood (and being responsible or guided by parents) is important for you. You might work for the government (or be part of it). Take for example Jean Claude Juncker http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2014/06/jean-claude-junckers-saturn-and-chiron.html
or André Rieu
Of course, an angular or not aspected Saturn or OOB Saturn rising before the Sun is twice as strong!
Here is a tragic example (with Saturn involved with Mars and Pluto: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/07/midpoint-combination-mars-saturn-pluto.html

Uranus? I found Uranus rising before the sun in a number of charts of people who were very very old and I wonder if that is, because they are a. special b. a little out of time, not of 'today'. Here is the post:  http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/03/uranus-rising-before-sun.html When you are the only one left of your generation, you might feel like an alien sometimes. With Uranus oriental you may be trying to make this (or your own) world a better place or you are a rebel. Hugo Chavez had it  and Evita Perron had it (and they died rather young, so Uranus rising before the Sun is NOT a guarantee for living long). Sacha Baron Cohen has it. See any similarities?
(Note: Angular, not aspected or OOB Uranus rising before the Sun is extra important)

Neptune? You see the world as a magic place. You may look like a dreamer (and sometimes you are...). But sometimes you look softer than you really are...This Neptune is confusing, often 'double', anonymous or unclear, hiding behind nicknames or simply 'not of this world' (drifting on a cloud). There are ideological/idealistic politicians with Neptune rising before the sun, like Hilary Clinton. Faith, religion, fantasy or ideals guide you. Illusionist often have it. I have examples like Hans Kok, Houdin and Criss Angel...well, start with the chart of David Blain).

Pluto? Strategists have it, and politicians. They play checkons all the time. When Pluto rises before the Sun you see the importance and value of power, money, strength and influence. You may appear stronger than you are. Fifty percent of the 'James Bond's' have Pluto rising before the Sun and they are sure courageous, aren't they?:) They are also sexy and impress you somehow. Have a look here: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/11/chart-of-birth-day-of-daniel-craig.html,starting with Daniel Craig. Late Dutch Prince Bernhard (married to Queen Juliana) also had Pluto rising before the Sun.

The Moon rises before the Sun in the charts of people who's live depends on being part of a family, a group (a party, a tribe) or of the way that they know how to deal with their desires. Sometimes there is an orientation on children, childhood and education. Emotions and needs might lead you on the way through life (in a positive or in a negative way). You are the kind of person who is 'emotionally involved', like Mahatma Ghandi was.

Of course, you can have asteroids rising before your sun. They are as important as their position is in your chart (on an angle, for example, on Sun/Moon midpoint or tightly conjunct your Sun). In those cases, search the labels or find other sources to get the intrinsic meaning of that for you. If it is Juno, (finding) a partner might very important, for example.

There are always more ways to look at the meaning of a planet and there are always more parts of the chart to be considered. A very important planet, Sun or Moon might just 'spoil' the effect. Also, it very much depends on who you are, how old you are and where you live. If you are born somewhere on a mountain without money or perspective, the oriental Jupiter perhaps brings you to the library or study before you can start traveling. So take the ideas above and start working with them!

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m.franken said...

Hi Astromart, in this article you discribe every planet as a possible oriental planet. In the article about Mars you wrote it should be the first "outer" planet before the Sun. So Moon, Mercury and Venus should not be taken in consideration?

groetjes Marij Norden

Astromarkt said...

Hi Marij,

no, not Mercury or Venus, not for a professional orientation. But, there are exceptions.

Only when they are 'special' (OOB, angular or 'calling') so that they will be important enough to function as a pro. In other cases you may want to become (for example) a writer or an artist (Venus) but it takes more to succeed.

Perhaps I'd explain more. When Mercury rises before the Sun there is an orientation on communications first of all, but when Mercury is not 'prominent' (angular or 'calling') it will be harder to become a writer or a singer (as so many of us want to be one). Usually you take the next possible option (what you want to be next).

In this article I mentioned Mercury and Venus and the fact that if they are not prominent, they can be 'skipped'. But of course, the person knows that he/she would have wanted to be an artist or author first and this person does have communication (Mercury) or diplomatic (Venus) qualities to offer.

See for example the chart of Rasmussen http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2009/04/astrology-chart-anders-fogh-rasmussen.html whose Mercury is rising before the Sun and calling! Next is Saturn (to govern, ambitions). He, of course, uses his communication skills in his job, but he is not in the first place a communicator (writer/singer). He wants to be in charge.

Here http://www.astromarkt.net/chart-analysis.html you see Mercury prominent (first rising before Sun) and Jupiter next in the chart of Hitler. I use them both.

The Moon has a special position anyway and is not a planet. It would be hard to ignore personal desires and needs!
Example: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/04/sodanos-oriental-moon-in-scorpio-speaks.html

Hope this explains. Just keep in mind that a strong professional orientation requires strong and special placements. For the usual jobs (sales, or hair dresser for examples) that Mercury or Venus rising before the Sun is a great help.

Thanks for the question!