Twin stories and astrology

Twins are interesting objects for the study of astrology (and more). Recently I watched a documentary about twins and learned that the sooner the early cell splits, the less the twins will be alike. If later, there can be a ‘mirrored’ twin and if the separation starts too late, there is a Siamese twin. Here on Astropost you may find a few articles about twins (see the links, below). This times I’ll give you miscellaneous news about twins along with some astrology.

1. The BBC mentioned a new claim for the Guinness Book of Records, made by a twin born in two different countries (both part of the UK). The date was September 23, 1976. The first girl was born at 9:00 GMT in Powys hospital, her sister in Shorpshire (Wales) at 10:45:20 a.m. (It seems that they sent the mother back home too soonJ)

The first girl (Heidi) has an Ascendant in the 21st degree of Libra.

The second one’s Ascendant is in the 9th degree of Scorpio. Her name is Jo. As ‘surprise’ is part of her delivery, Uranus was in aspect with both her Ascendant  (square) and MC (quintile).

2. Last May, the 103 year old twin sisters Glenys and Florence Davies died. They were born in the some region, in a place called Abertridwr (…) on November 22, 1911. Glenys died April 23, Florence May 20. They died with Sun square Mars in their progressed charts. On April 23 Jupiter (the planet of the voyages) was with Venus and progressed Venus. On May 20 there is a Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn combination. Jupiter, in their birth charts, was rising before their sun.

One thing is certain: twins aren't usually exact time twins. For more about them, click here And if you want to study twins, here is a list of famous ones on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_twins

LINKS

BBC January 19, 2016 ‘Powys twins claim Wales-England birth world record”: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-35345649 

Abou the Davies twins:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-32903990

ASTROPOSTS #TWINS

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/06/twins-re-cumbria-massacre-and-pieck.html

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2013/02/born-same-day-die-another-day-time-twins.html

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2009/07/chart-of-maria-del-carmen-bousada-and.html

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/02/birth-charts-twin-jennifer-lopez.html

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/10/celine-dions-twins.html

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/07/astrology-chart-of-twins-of-angelina.html

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The Cancer astrologer: Jan Gerhard Toonder

Late Dutch astrologer Jan Gerhard Toonder is well known among students of astrology for the book that he wrote in 1970, together with John Anthony West: "The case for astrology". I referred to that book on Astromarkt when I wrote about time twins and here (http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2013/02/born-same-day-die-another-day-time-twins.html ). I mentioned the book, because there is a story in that book about a king and a stable boy born on the same place and hour. That story is in fact a myth and untrue (someone verified it...). Nevertheless, the book contains a lot of interesting information waiting to be verified by those interested in astrology.

You know that I always search for Jupiter-Uranus connections in the charts of astrologers. Toonder has Jupiter in Aquarius, ruled by Uranus in Aquarius, on Midheaven. The birth time given by Astrodatabank is 0:40 hours, while the source note gives 1:00 a.m. If the birth time is in between, the MC is in between Jupiter and Uranus*)
Here is the chart:

You may wonder what is typical for a Cancer astrologer? I think that it is history. One of the concepts of Cancer is to keep the past alive. Jan Gerhard Toonder wrote about the dawn of astrology. He also mentions important works and findings. It is almost a complete work on ideas, myths (!) and facts about astrology! To give you an idea:

On page 41 (Dutch version) he says that astrology might be known thousands of years before Babylon. A temple in Luxor (Egypt) shows a painting of a human being and signs like Sagittarius, Leo, Taurus and Aries (for the head, just like today!) related to certain parts of the body. Hundreds of years before Christ there is an inscription in Assyria:"When Jupiter joins Venus, the prayers of the nation will reach the heart of the gods. Merodach and Sarapanitum will hear the prayers and have mercy on the people. May they send me a donkey to rest my feet… written by Nirgat-itir." He also tells tales about Kepler and says that this astronomer/astrologer stopped calculating the chart of Wallenstein for the day that he died (and this BEFORE the day that he died). Unfortunately he doesn't give data... BTW the picture here is also without date:).

So, Jan Gerhard Toonder (and John Anthony West) gave us a story about astrology's history. An interesting story, that would be more complete with chart drawings and data. I'd like to verify some of those stories. Jan Gerhard Toonder was also a poet and an author of more books. His brother (Marten Toonder) was an author, too, and much more famous than he was.


*)As always with stats, I also found astrologers without a Jupiter-Uranus connection in the chart. But most of them have it.

LINKS
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2013/06/ada-muir-gemini-astrologer.html
Gemini: instructing

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2012/10/margareth-hone-libra-astrologer.html
Libra: working together

In the Case for Astrology is an untrue story about time twins that I mention in this post:
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2013/02/born-same-day-die-another-day-time-twins.html

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Mars quindecile Pluto: obsessive drive for power

In 2010 I wrote about Ahmadinejad (Iran) and Mars quindecile Pluto in his chart. Today I had a look at the natal positions of Elba Esther Gordillo, the Mexican union leader who has been arrested under suspicion of fraud. They say that she used part of the money for plastic surgery. Here is the picture:

Her nickname is "La Maestra" and on the internet she is accused of "brujeria" (witchcraft and that included: watching her natal chart:)!

I wondered how an ordinary woman in Mexico could become so powerfull without a Mars-Pluto 'injection'. There is no major aspect between Mars and Pluto in her chart. But then I noticed the quindecile!

The 165 degree aspect that Noel Tyl (see his essay) called " quindecile" is the aspect of obsession and intensity. I first read about this aspect in Tyl's books and since then I found several good examples of how this aspect manifests itself (use this link).
The Mars-Pluto combination goes for winning and authority, sometimes by means of using violence, money power or other forces and strengths.
Connect these three and what you get is an overdrive of seeking power. Especially when Mars and/or Pluto have a prominent position, like in the chart of Gordillo (Mars rising before the Sun).

There is more in the chart than Mars quindecile Pluto. I see the "calling" Sun for leadership and drawing attention (being a star). Mars rising before the Sun focusses on action (sports, military), activism and on men or on what men use to do. Gordillo was born with a more than average drive and energy. Competition, taking the lead and dominating... That is Gordillo. And maybe Venus conjunct Eris makes discord and disagreement fun...

Mars makes another minor aspect: Mars is quatronovile Saturn. The 160 degree aspect is 4x novile and the meaning of the novile is 'to rejoyce'. Mars-Saturn is the combination of discipline and hard measures. Together, Mars quindecile Pluto and quatronovile Saturn, there is the hidden combinaton of unnatural death as an issue or a general theme in life. (Read the posts, see the links).

On the day that 'La Maestra' was born, the astrological positions didn't show a shy and weak person, on the contrary. I doubt that witchcraft was needed to make her a leading figure! But I am convinced that it took plastic surgery to shape her face. Just like in the charts of 'beauties' there are aspects between Venus, Saturn and Pluto. There is so much more to see in the chart of February 6, 1945! It was also the day of birth of Bob Marley (although Astrodienst gives an XX rated chart). He survived a murder attempt and died rather young (part of the issue of Mars-Saturn-Pluto?)

Here is the chart of her day of birth:

PS it is almost 5 years ago now that I was in Lisbon for a workshop with Noel Tyl, now. How time flies...

LINK

1. Gordillo and Marley were probably born on the same day...That makes you think about being born on the same day? Read my latest post on time twins...(Born same day, die another day) Two politicians were also born the same day, see http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/07/chart-of-radovan-karadzic-born-on-same.html

2. The news about the arrest on BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21597680

3. On the chart of Ahmadinejad, also Mars quindecile Pluto
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/06/ahmadinejad-khamenei-and-eris-discord.html

4. About Mars-Saturn
http://www.astromarkt.net/mars-in-aspect-with-saturn.html

5. About Mars-Pluto
http://www.astromarkt.net/mars-pluto.html

6. Examples of Mars rising before the Sun
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2009/04/mars-oriental-outer-planet-rising.html

7. Mars rises before the Sun and is 'calling' in the chart of Margareth Thatcher, too
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/05/birth-chart-margareth-thatcher-her-son.html

8. On the Mars-Saturn-Pluto combination and Osama bin Laden:
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/05/marssaturnpluto-midpoint-combination.html

9. Noel Tyl about the quindecile aspect:
http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/990801.html

and see the labels!

Born same day, die another day (time twins)

TIME TWINS WITH SIMILAR LIVES ARE RARITIES

Yes, I know those stories about the parallel lives of time twins and yes, I watched a documentary on television of a great example a few years ago myself (it was very interesting and I never found it back on the internet!).
But: these events are clearly as exceptional as we find them:). If not, there would have been modern databases kept by astrologers, wouldn't it? I think that those time twins with similar lives are rare. Why?

a. You can use Wikipedia to find data and names for days of birth and then you see the differences already. You might find correspondence, too. But one of the clearest ways to see if persons born on the same day have similar lives, is checking the year of death.Well...

b. Just check the social security numbers and date of births-site and see that all of those deceased men and women died on different days and in different years, even if they were born on the same day. Those people also differ from those who didn't have social security and were born on the same day. The deceased persons lists shows us that it is very much more common to die another day (see for example: http://ssdmf.info/by_birthdate/19400101.html )

But, how about the stories? Maybe there are one or two real life stories about time twins with the same 'fate' (I know there are some, because I watched the documentary a few years ago). However,
here are a few examples used in astrology books and they are not convincing.

1. There is that story about a king and the son of a stable boy, born on the same day, same place and hour. The story goes that they got married and became father in the same period and that they died on the same day. Their names: King George III and Samuel Hemming. Samuel opened a store on the day of the coronation. He married on September 8 1761, just like the king. They had an equal amount of children, had accidents on the same day and died on January 29, 1920. They even looked alike, they say. I read this in The Case for Astrology on page 187 a few years ago.  For some reason I became curious and so I looked for the chart on Astrodienst (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/George_III,_King_of_England ) and they don't mention a time twin. They do mention 15 children, however! That is exceptional! Did Samuel, too, have 15 children? Of course not. There is no Samuel. Astrology Research net studied this case:
http://www.astrology-research.net/rgcsa/abstractsdetails.asp?searchterm=Hemmings&Submit=Search&textfield32=Gauquelin+AND+Mars&WAQueryBuilder1=1&ID=169

2. The second story of time twins in The Case of Astrology is of Edna Hackensack. Can we verify this story? It is here: http://www.earth-essences.org/AstrologyPortal/page2.htm, without data and we can't ask them. Probably a female Samuel:)

3. One Giordano Venturini is said to have been born on the same day as Rudolph Valentino. The story goes that he looked much like him and that they died on the same day. More examples mentioned here (http://ar.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120918174147AAxYev1 ) including Samuel, but how do we know that all of those are true, verified and correct?

I am afraid that even if  you were born on the same day and place and hour and you have the same gender and same social circumstances, you might NOT live and die as your time twin does, did or will do.

MY CONCLUSIONS
a. Even if  you were born on the same day and place and hour and you have the same gender and same social circumstances, you might NOT live as your time twin does, did or will do, not even with almost the same chart.
That makes astrology one of the ways to explain and see things and not a tool for judgement or clear predictions.
(A lot of people want to know about the future and I am not an exception, but the future doesn't exist. The future has already changed now that I wrote this! And so has my place in it...)

b. The Ascendant and Midheaven, the Moon's degree and the aspects with AC/MC and Sun/Moon, including the angular positions, may be of more importance than the aspects, transits and progressions with the Sun and the planets.

c. Human beings are unique in expressing themselves...

d. Those who were born on the same day, most likely will DIE ANOTHER DAY, YEAR OR DECADE.

In almost every post I use to add that a chart is but a picture of the (astrological) sky, mirroring situations and that you can't read a chart without knowing facts like:
- is it about an event, man or woman, animal or business?
- what culture and time in history are we talking about?
- what social situation, genes and position are we talking about?
- what age is that person (or animal)?
That makes it easy for me to deal with the differences between the lives of persons who are born the same day, twins and time twins.

Charts can't be seen as know-it-all's! A chart is not a person. One chart can relate to a firm, a cat or an event, a chart can relate to a criminal or to a police man (both dealing with the issue crime). When you were born someone died, someone married, someone had an accident somewhere and maybe there was a political document being signed. All those events are described by the same chart. The components of the chart may look clear above, but there is a growing variety in the way that it looks on earth. The chart is a simplified description and every part of the chart has it's own vocabulary. And:

Astrology charts describes characters (not related to genes), tendencies and issues, not fate!

And I wonder if that is bad:) You don't need to be afraid when you read about your time twins! 

1. LINKS
2. 1. About an athlete, a famous dead singer and a pedophile born on the same day: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2012/03/born-same-day-and-yet-so-different.htm

2. This post is about the differences and similarities in the charts of twins with the Bird brothers birthday (no hour of birth) and the natal charts of Henri and Anton Pieck as examples. It is a longer post than usual, because it is about four people and three charts. 

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/06/twins-re-cumbria-massacre-and- pieck.html

3. Read what a difference a birth time makes: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/06/what-diference-birth-time-makes-birth.html

4. AstroDienst about time twins
http://www.astro.com/faq/fq_fh_twins_e.htm

5. Another take on time twins:
http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/twins.htm

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