Showing posts with label Twins. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Twins. Show all posts

Tuesday, January 19, 2016

Twin stories and astrology


Twins are interesting objects for the study of astrology (and more). Recently I watched a documentary about twins and learned that the sooner the early cell splits, the less the twins will be alike. If later, there can be a ‘mirrored’ twin and if the separation starts too late, there is a Siamese twin. Here on Astropost you may find a few articles about twins (see the links, below). This times I’ll give you miscellaneous news about twins along with some astrology.

1. The BBC mentioned a new claim for the Guinness Book of Records, made by a twin born in two different countries (both part of the UK). The date was September 23, 1976. The first girl was born at 9:00 GMT in Powys hospital, her sister in Shorpshire (Wales) at 10:45:20 a.m. (It seems that they sent the mother back home too soonJ)

The first girl (Heidi) has an Ascendant in the 21st degree of Libra.
The second one’s Ascendant is in the 9th degree of Scorpio. Her name is Jo. As ‘surprise’ is part of her delivery, Uranus was in aspect with both her Ascendant  (square) and MC (quintile).

2. Last May, the 103 year old twin sisters Glenys and Florence Davies died. They were born in the some region, in a place called Abertridwr (…) on November 22, 1911. Glenys died April 23, Florence May 20. They died with Sun square Mars in their progressed charts. On April 23 Jupiter (the planet of the voyages) was with Venus and progressed Venus. On May 20 there is a Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn combination. Jupiter, in their birth charts, was rising before their sun.

One thing is certain: twins aren't usually exact time twins. For more about them, click here And if you want to study twins, here is a list of famous ones on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_twins


LINKS
BBC January 19, 2016 ‘Powys twins claim Wales-England birth world record”: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-35345649 

Abou the Davies twins:

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Sunday, March 25, 2012

Born same day and yet so different


A chart without hour of birth is not a real chart. It is just a circle with positions on a certain day , mostly for noon. The picture doesn't inform us about angular positions, the exact degree of the Moon, the Sun/Moon midpoint, the Ascendant or MC. It is a limited chart and in fact just a circle with data from an ephemeris. The chart without hour of birth informs us about elements, most placements in sign, most aspects, the planet rising before the sun, unaspected planets en most of the midpoint combinations. 

Charts with an hour of birth contain all of the astrological information and yet are limited as well. They don't tell us if the chart was meant for an event, a man or a woman, an animal or nation. Charts don't inform us about the gender, genes, culture, social circumstances or status. Charts also don't inform us about sexual preferences. We can't judge by means of a chart in case of crime, either, because the planet combinations introduce themes and issues, but never tell us 'who did it'  . See the label crime or crimes for examples.

Example PICTURE: 14 September 1983


An example is the chart for noon of September 1983. There is some astrological info. This chart tells us about:
  • passion (because Venus and Mars are rising before the Sun), 
  • flexibility (because of the amount of placements in flexibel = mutable signs) 
  • being fiery (and risking a burn out or 'burn up') 
  • creativity (not per se as an artist: it is about creative ways)
  • ambition, somehow and anyhow (because of the fact that Saturn doesn't make any major aspect in sign or orb 5 degrees)

BORN 14 SEPTEMBER 1983 

Thousands were born on September 14, 1983. Among them where:
- Atlete Mestawet Tufa
- Singer Amy Winehouse (died 23 July 2011)
(BTW Astro.com has a time of birth: 22:25. It is a 'hear say' via friends of the mother)

CONCLUSION

The symbols of astrology can't be adapted to each and everyone. All those born on September 1983 are Virgo. It is not quite clear how they expressed that. As they aren't all pedophiles, singers or athletes, there must be more than the natal positions that 'made them' who they are or were. Even a chart with hour of birth can't tell it all. But... we can use the chart the other way! 

The importance of sexuality and passion (Venus and Mars in the chart, prominently placed) is a catastrophe for someone with a sexual defect (and much more: for his victims). A love relationship paved the way to the end of Amy Winehouse. Athletes however may benefit from the importance of control and ambition (Saturn) and the fiery nature. But not unless there is a genetic basis and training, of course. It is in the way that you 'use it'. There is enough drive and ambition in this chart for various ways. Even for twins. And there is of course some correspondence in transits and progressions (with differences, also!). 

LINKS


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Sunday, October 24, 2010

Celine Dion's twins

(Such beautiful cakes on http://www.artistryincakes.com!)

Yesterday, on Saturday October 23, Celine Dion gave birth to a healthy pair of premature boys. There is a lot of interaction between her chart and the chart of the baby boys (with time of birth). 

TRANSITS AND BABIES
Transits are actual positions of planets, Sun and Moon. Transits with the chart of a mother on the day of birth of her children are, of course,  the natal positions of the child that is born. The transits with the natal positions of the parent characterize the nature of the relationship from the start. The child is a living reminder of the period in life and of what happened on the day of birth. 
There were a lot of transits mirroring the situation when the children of Celine Dion were born, as you will notice. There were also important progressions in her chart. There is a list in this post (scroll down).

 Continue for the charts of Celine's twins, the chart drawing of Celine Dion and the link to the post about the artist in the chart of Celine Dion..

Friday, June 4, 2010

Twins, re: Cumbria massacre and Pieck Brothers

There are always questions about twins, time twins and astrology. These questions rise when there is a serious incident such as in Cumbria.
This post is about the differences and similarities in the charts of twins with the Bird brothers birthday (no hour of birth) and the natal charts of Henri and Anton Pieck as examples. It is a longer post than usual, because it is about four people and three charts.

INDIVIDUALITY
People are individuals, and they are different, even if they are born on the same day. Charts of people who are born on the same day contain the same aspect combinations between the Sun, the planets and the asteroids. Shared aspects in the charts often refer to shared experiences, feelings, preferences and capacities. Twins share those aspects in the same situation and with the same genes. That creates an intense bond. But it doesn't equalize them. One can be a killer of 12 and the other one can be the victim, like in the case of the Bird brothers.

People born on the same day may have different aspects with the Moon, other Ascendants, MC's, angularities and (some of the) midpoint combinations. To calculate the positions of Moon,Ac, MC and find angular positions and midpoint combinations, an hour of birth is required. There is no hour of birth for the Bird brothers. So the chart of the day of birth of the Bird brothers show just pieces of a puzzle. We know that they shared a family matter over money and they shared the same dying day. Some of what they shared can be found in the symbols of the chart of their birth day.

We do know the hours of birth of the famous twin brothers Pieck. They had a different Ascendant and Midheaven sign. Henri spent years in Buchenwald, in prison from 1941 - 1945 and died 15 years earlier than his brother Anton. The differences and similarities in their charts show the differences and similaries in their lives. The differences grow as life continues and the progressed charts reflects how life goes on. The differences are visible in what remains of their art.

Here are some observations.

A. CUMBRIA TWINS
The killer of the Cumbria massacre had a twin brother (who was killed by him on the day that he committed suicide). He faced the payment of tens of thousands on taxes and feared to be left out of the will of his mother. In anger, he killed his brother, his sollicitor and from then on everybody who was in his way.

Twins have the same day of birth (or are born within hours), so this chart drawing below is shared by the murderer and victim, and by all others born on the same day! The chart of the birth day without hour is like an incomplete puzzle; pieces are missing and variations are still possible. However, it is rather easy to find and 'translate' the known themes and issues.

. the taxi driver (prominent planets of travelling: Mercury calling, Jupiter oriental),
. the money-heirloom issues (Ceres* is calling and see combination of money = Venus-Pluto + the present disappointment and insecurity with Venus-Neptune)
. the family matters: Mars in Libra opposition Eris in Aries: the gods of war and discord are in opposition in the signs of cooperations and make it difficult to remain peaceful, especially because of the aspects with the Moon. Derrick killed his business partner, too.

More observations of the chart of the Cumbria twin brothers:
. Sun conjunct Quaoar: living with a new reality, or creating a new kind of life. This could be a positive aspect, of course, but I found a site (Astronova) that gives examples of accidents and injuries with this aspect (see this link to Astronova. Of course, a new reality is born after an accident, too. Transit Uranus and Chiron are in minor aspect with this conjunction now. They are adding sudden hurt and change and complete the picture of unexpected painful new situations.
. The kite figure in the chart is clear to see, connecting Sun, Jupiter, Moon, Eris, Mars, Saturn and Uranus. There is a bunch of so called ‘harmonious aspects’ (trines and sextiles). Often those easy aspects mirror ‘ the easy way out’ and they are frequent in the charts of inmates. (Choose the label ‘sextile’ to see more examples of the effect.)
Kites are known for their driving force (and the force can be used for good things and for crime; a chart is rather neutral).
. Saturn on Antares , a rather unfortunate combination that might be on a crucial spot in the chart of one of the brothers (angular, for example).
. Ceres is important in the natal chart because there is no major aspect in sign or orb 5 degrees (Ceres is ‘ calling’). That makes any aspect or transit with Ceres an important one. Ceres (symbol of genes, motherhood and heirloom is also important in the transits and progressions on their final day, as you can see in the list of progressions and transits. We already know that there might have been a conflict about heirloon.
(Click the label Ceres for more examples of Ceres in charts.)

Transits and progressions(see chart)
1. Progressed Sun is quindecile natal Ceres
2. Progressed Ceres 75 natal Sun
This is a double Sun-Ceres conflict with minor aspects. The minor aspects aren’t obvious (like major aspects are). Derrick Bird appeared to be calm and nice until June 2, but there was an underlying conflict and a strong focus on heirloom (Ceres).
3. Transit Jupiter is trine progressed Ceres made it easy to succeed.
4. Transit Neptune opposition natal Venus reveals financial disappointment.
5. Transit Neptune 75 Varuna
6. Transit Pholus inconjunct Varuna
Minor transits with Varuna are like mines sometimes.
7. Perhaps transit Pholus is square progressed Moon
If that is so, in the natal chart the Moon in Aries would be exactly square Orcus, conjunct Eris and square Mars and open the doors to domestic discord. Here is the chart with transits and progressions:



B. ANTON AND HENRI PIECK
The lives of the twin brothers Anton and Henri Christiaan Pieck didn't end on the same day or in the same year. They were both talented illustrators, but Henri was also a communist spy whose health suffered badly because of years in Buchenwald. And Anton lived 15 more years. Important differences and similarities in their charts in the progressed and natal chart explain the differences and similarities in their lives.

1. On the day that Henri was arrested (June 9, 1941) he had Saturn on the Descendant and Uranus quindecile the Ascendant in the progressed chart. Saturn-Uranus is the combination of limited freedom. Anton, however, had Uranus on the Descendant, for a shocking change and freedom/independece (Uranus) as a key factor in his situation (AC). Saturn (Henri) and Uranus (Anton) are the rulers of their Ascendants (Capricorn and Aquarius).
Henri is unique in the following midpoint combinations: he has Mars opposition AC/MC, Uranus conjunct Saturn/MC and Saturn semi square Uranus/AC plus MC square Uranus/Pluto. Anton doesn't have these combinations. They refer to the limited freedom again, to the importance of action and activism and to a tendency for radicalism and impuls.

2. They had the same talents.
Anton has Venus 'calling' square Ascendant and MC oppostion Venus/Neptune.
Henri's Venus is close to the IC.
Both brothers have Mercury and Mars in mutual reception as final dispositors of the Midheaven (pointing at an abilitity and practical knowledge).

3. Neptune is quindecile the Midheaven of Henri. Neptune is linked to secrets. Read about Mata Hara and Christine Keeler or think of Valerie Plame with Moon in Pisces and Neptune on Aries Point).

4. The MC of Henri is in Scorpio, Anton's was in Sagittarius. Scorpio is the sign of challenges, life and death, research, politics and courage. Scorpio is more in line with the life of a spy, prisoner and political interests than Sagittarius is. Just watch the difference between what Anton created (the joyful picture on the left) and what his brother made (the tragic sketch above).

5. Henri was arrested when his progressed Ascendant had just changed sign (situation change). His progressed chart shows that good times are over (the aspect with Jupiter is past and gone). Saturn is on his Descendant. Both brothers share a delicate period in life: their progressed Sun is exactly on Neptune/Pluto.

Henri died with T Saturn on the IC (when his condition was less than ever). Here are their progressed charts with transits for the day of his arrest. The picture above shows their natal charts.



This post shows two things:
1. you can't judge based upon a chart and
2. hours of birth (and in particular midpoint combinations) make a difference
3. part of the explanations can be found in a chart without hour of birth

Even if the charts are almost similar, individuals will try to BE different. I know a female twin born just minutes apart who behave completely different, in spite of having almost the same kind of chart. One is a long married housewife and working mother, the other divorced twice and can't (or won't) find a job.
Especially when the birth chart shows a drive to be independent and unique and make a difference, the twins will try to walk different roads and choose different hobbies, professions and clothes, just to show their independence and individuality. They will elect different qualities and select another part of the 'packet'. Others go for the same road.


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Friday, May 8, 2009

Charts of Kiefer and Rachel Sutherland


Kiefer Sutherland is an actor and a director with a twin sister working in the same field. With transit Pluto inconjunct Jupiter (the disproportionate price to pay for success) he is in the news today. There is an explanation for his success as an actor and for his arrests.

ARTIST
On my blog Art&Astrology I mention the astrological pattern of artistic talent in the charts of artists, musicians, writers and actors. This pattern (of Moon, Venus, Neptune, the related signs and Midheaven) is visible in his chart (December 21, 1966, 9 a.m. in Marylebone UK), like this:

1. Neptune is the first outer planet rising before his Sun
2. Venus is conjunct the Ascendant
3. The Moon is on a crucial spot (down under in the chart)
4. Neptune is square Sun/Moon
5. Moon is inconjunct Midheaven, Venus is sextile Midheaven
6. Mercury is 67.5 degrees from Sun/Moon (for being communicative)
7. The Sun is square Aries Point (for directing and being a star)
8. He has a cool Venus in Capricorn, like other male movie stars have. See the post about male attraction...

Notice that the prominent Moon and Venus ('sense of art') are related to the career (Midheaven) and he is in heart and soul (Sun/Moon) an artist.

JAIL
He spent time in jail in December 2007/January 2008 with transit Jupiter and Pluto conjunct Sun (and Uranus trine Midheaven). This was for driving under influence. Today he has transit Pluto inconjunct Jupiter. He is in the news because of another arrest. Someone was rude against his female companion and this person was head-butted by him.
There is an explanation for that, too.

1. Mars is elevated (on top of the chart) in Libra.
Mars is in Libra often leads to aggression (being with others provokes aggression). The position of Mars on top of the chart could be read like this: being above all an activist, entrepreneur, worker or ... fighter.

2. Saturn is opposition Uranus and Pluto
This is introducing the theme of restricted liberty and sudden arrest. It is a long term aspect combination, but in this individual's chart it is an important one. Saturn rules his Ascendant and is ruler 1. Pluto rules his Midheaven (position, reputation). Uranus rules his progressed Sun and is square his natal Sun.

3. Mars is semi square Neptune (for the use or abuse of alcohol and drugs AND for work related to the field of medications, fantasy, or beliefs...with the idea that the job is not fully satisfactory).

4. Mars is quindecile Saturn and 15 degrees from Uranus, thus connecting the combination of sudden restricted freedom.

5. Mars is sesquisquare Sun/Moon
He is a person who wants to act or react immediately.

6. Venus is tightly square Mars
That is the aspect of passion!

7. Mars is square his Ascendant (for an assertive approach).

SISTER
Kiefer Sutherland has a twin sister (Rachel) who works as post-production supervisor in the world of the movies. See her picture here...http://www.getback.com/gallery/the-other-half-of-famous-twins/2986770/1
She was born 3 minutes later. That changes the degrees of the Moon, Ascendant and Midheaven, places Venus closer to the Ascendant, alters some of the midpoint combinations and...the big difference is the gender. Mars is working harder in the charts of males (because of the amount of male hormones).

This is her chart, her brother's positions are on the outside of the circle.



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Sunday, July 13, 2008

ASTROLOGY CHART OF TWINS OF ANGELINA JOLIE AND BRAD PITT

UPDATE:
Birth certificated time of birth of Knox, the first baby is 18:37, see chart below and his sister a few minutes later. What remains the same is in Italic!



Angelina Jolie gave birth to a twin, a boy and a girl,
at 18;45 and 19:00 hours, by caesarian. Knox Leon and Vivienne Marcheline; these are the names for the boy and the girl that saw the light yesterday, 12th July, in Nice.

DOUBLE JOY
The twin have their Jupiter square the Jupiter of Angelina and their Venus conjunct hers, perhaps for double (Jupiter) fun (Venus):)
But watch Angelina's Saturn - responsibilities, parenthood - in the 18th degree of Cancer, opposition the Jupiter of the twins. Jupiter is ruler 1 of the twins, in Capricorn and in the first house.

ARTISTIC TALENT
The opposition coming from Saturn might point at the necessity to give the children space to develop in their own way. And that will be an artistic way, no doubt about that. Venus (ruler MC) and Neptune are calling!! And with the Moon as end dispositor, acting might have something to do with it (memorising and keeping the past alive). The tightest aspect is Venus inconjunct Pluto. The axis Venus-Pluto is the financial axis, the inconjunction is pointing at a 'disbalance'. Some of that disbalance might be the 7 million dollar worth first picture of the babies. Another thing is that this aspect sometimes causes problems in love life and relationships. But not right now. With their Moon in Scoprio sextile Jupiter they will be overly spoilt and have a happy time at home.

TEMPER
The way the babies came to the world was hasty (with surgery) and the crucial position of Uranus down in the chart, in a quindecile (165d) with Uranus reflects it. I bet these kids have a temper!


SYNASTRY = TRANSITS
Of course the transits of the day the children were born have a certain influence. Yesterday Angelina had Jupiter square Jupiter and opposition Saturn., Venus conjunct Venus and Ascendant, and Venus square Uranus (a combination that refers to a complication or surgery related to beauty or ... specific female things). As Pluto - her ruler 5 - is inconjunct her Ascendant we might asume that this birth had a lot of impact and raising these two will be a challenge. Still, she underwent surgery at the moment of birth, so their were circumstances in the 'meeting' and interaction that won't repeat themselves.

Pluto is BTW the symbol of LIFE and death. Angelina has her progressed MC sesquisquare progressed Pluto right now. In the progressed chart Ceres (motherhood!) is on top.

BRAD PITT HAPPY FATHER
One thing is certain: when baby 1 was born Brad Pitt's Jupiter was on his IC and that is a very good sign for support and understanding. Brad's Pluto is inconjunct the IC of number 2. It seems that the second baby will tned be the more challenging one. Or that at the specific moment that that baby was born, Brad had stress and was impressed.

MORE SYNASTRY
Baybe number 1 (I don't know if it is the boy or the girl) has his mother's Mars on the IC and her Sun/Mercury on the Descendant.

Baybe number 2 has not got prominent placements. Angelina's Mars/Jupiter is on the baby's IC.

PROGRESSED CHART OF ANGELINA JOLIE

Notice Ceres on top! For more about Ceres, click the label (see below this post)

RELEVANT:
Birth charts of Angelina and Brad

Friday, February 22, 2008

BIRTH CHARTS TWIN JENNIFER LOPEZ


Jennifer Lopez gave birth to a twin last night. Here you see both charts. The first is of the baby girl, born at 0h11 and the second one is of the baby boy, born at 0h23. Apart from the apparent difference in gender (that will give them different challenges and opportunities in life) there is a slight difference in their charts. The baby boy has Saturn within 1,5 degree orb conjunct the MC. The baby girl has the Sun within 1 degree orb conjunct the IC. Though both will have a crucial Sun opposed to Saturn on the meridian, the accents will differ (one for business, one for show?). Of course there will be more midpoint combinations (especially those with MC or Ascendant involved) that distincts the first baby from the other where character and talents are involved.

The placements of Moon and Saturn high up in the chart might point at their famous parents and the influence that this has on their lifes.