Golden oldies - 2 - about women and luv

Love posts about luv? Here are some of the golden oldies that I collected for you. The first 2 aren't that old. They are written in 2011.

1. Catherine the Great had a lot of lovers.

The two inconjunctions between planets related to sex and love life point at lack of balance (hormones, perhaps). Together with the prominent placements of the planets of love and sex (Mars, Moon and Venus) in aspect with Pluto (apex of the Yod) in the eight house of sex, life and death we get the picture...

Just like Henry VIII abused his power, Catherine did. She didn't marry her lovers, she 'only' used her officers. And perhaps she killed one husband, but she was very generous to her former lovers. One of those lovers was 40 years her junior. You see her chart and his natal positions (the transit positions) here: 

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/02/love-life-of-catherine-great.html

2. Coco Chanel had a German lover. That wasn't OK in the Second World War, in France...But they had Venus quindecile Venus in synastry: an obsessive love!
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/08/coco-chanel-in-love-and-war.html

3. Maria Callas loved Onassis, but he preferred Jacqueline Bouvier. She didn't get over it.
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2009/02/astrology-of-maria-callas-and.html 
My Conclusion: they were made to not get together (for long). 

4. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert had a lot of children together.
There are a lot of challenging aspects between them and there is little compensation in synastry. His Juno trine her Moon and Midheaven is nice, though. We can see the importance of marriage in her chart: Juno is exactly square the Ascendant

They share aspects and that helps! For example: both have Venus trine Uranus. That means that they shared a sort of an excitement about each other, a repeating sensation of falling in love. They also shared Venus trine Neptune: romantic feelings. And Mars-Jupiter (overproduction?:): she has Mars sextile Jupiter, he has Mars sesquisquare Jupiter. 

The chart of Albert and Victoria are a perfect example of not matching signs and the effect of sharing aspects. 
http://astrology-love-romance.blogspot.nl/2010/11/famous-couples-queen-victoria-and.html

5. Brad Pitt loved Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Aniston. How do their charts get along?
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/10/link-between-angelina-jolie-jennifer.html

6. A life without luv with a happy virgin in the end...
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/10/happy-virgin-with-venus-in-virgo-clara.html
She had Venus in Virgo...:)

PS

Did you know that aspirine heals broken hearts? And do you want to know about Neptune, romance and medication? Then read this:
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/08/neptune-believe-it-or-not-aspirin-and.html

LINKS
Don't forget to pay a visit to Astrology-love-romance.blogspot.com
Also visit: Astromarkt.net about love.
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Mars quindecile Pluto: obsessive drive for power

In 2010 I wrote about Ahmadinejad (Iran) and Mars quindecile Pluto in his chart. Today I had a look at the natal positions of Elba Esther Gordillo, the Mexican union leader who has been arrested under suspicion of fraud. They say that she used part of the money for plastic surgery. Here is the picture:

Her nickname is "La Maestra" and on the internet she is accused of "brujeria" (witchcraft and that included: watching her natal chart:)!

I wondered how an ordinary woman in Mexico could become so powerfull without a Mars-Pluto 'injection'. There is no major aspect between Mars and Pluto in her chart. But then I noticed the quindecile!

The 165 degree aspect that Noel Tyl (see his essay) called " quindecile" is the aspect of obsession and intensity. I first read about this aspect in Tyl's books and since then I found several good examples of how this aspect manifests itself (use this link).
The Mars-Pluto combination goes for winning and authority, sometimes by means of using violence, money power or other forces and strengths.
Connect these three and what you get is an overdrive of seeking power. Especially when Mars and/or Pluto have a prominent position, like in the chart of Gordillo (Mars rising before the Sun).

There is more in the chart than Mars quindecile Pluto. I see the "calling" Sun for leadership and drawing attention (being a star). Mars rising before the Sun focusses on action (sports, military), activism and on men or on what men use to do. Gordillo was born with a more than average drive and energy. Competition, taking the lead and dominating... That is Gordillo. And maybe Venus conjunct Eris makes discord and disagreement fun...

Mars makes another minor aspect: Mars is quatronovile Saturn. The 160 degree aspect is 4x novile and the meaning of the novile is 'to rejoyce'. Mars-Saturn is the combination of discipline and hard measures. Together, Mars quindecile Pluto and quatronovile Saturn, there is the hidden combinaton of unnatural death as an issue or a general theme in life. (Read the posts, see the links).

On the day that 'La Maestra' was born, the astrological positions didn't show a shy and weak person, on the contrary. I doubt that witchcraft was needed to make her a leading figure! But I am convinced that it took plastic surgery to shape her face. Just like in the charts of 'beauties' there are aspects between Venus, Saturn and Pluto. There is so much more to see in the chart of February 6, 1945! It was also the day of birth of Bob Marley (although Astrodienst gives an XX rated chart). He survived a murder attempt and died rather young (part of the issue of Mars-Saturn-Pluto?)

Here is the chart of her day of birth:

PS it is almost 5 years ago now that I was in Lisbon for a workshop with Noel Tyl, now. How time flies...

LINK

1. Gordillo and Marley were probably born on the same day...That makes you think about being born on the same day? Read my latest post on time twins...(Born same day, die another day) Two politicians were also born the same day, see http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/07/chart-of-radovan-karadzic-born-on-same.html

2. The news about the arrest on BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21597680

3. On the chart of Ahmadinejad, also Mars quindecile Pluto
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/06/ahmadinejad-khamenei-and-eris-discord.html

4. About Mars-Saturn
http://www.astromarkt.net/mars-in-aspect-with-saturn.html

5. About Mars-Pluto
http://www.astromarkt.net/mars-pluto.html

6. Examples of Mars rising before the Sun
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2009/04/mars-oriental-outer-planet-rising.html

7. Mars rises before the Sun and is 'calling' in the chart of Margareth Thatcher, too
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/05/birth-chart-margareth-thatcher-her-son.html

8. On the Mars-Saturn-Pluto combination and Osama bin Laden:
http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/05/marssaturnpluto-midpoint-combination.html

9. Noel Tyl about the quindecile aspect:
http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/990801.html

and see the labels!

Progressed Sun/Moon conjunct Saturn

By Ben Salter (Wales)

With the most accurate timing I had to stay in bed with a painful belly and fever when my Progressed Sun/Moon midpoint was exactly conjunct Saturn and Progressed Moon trine natal Mercury in Capricorn (for keeping the posts and tweets as short as possible:).  Progressed Ascendant square Chiron helped to make me feel like having a serious ailment to conquer until I heard that it is a virus. Now that I post this, I am cured and able to go to the office. So far about me...

There is a lot of information here about Sun/Moon midpoint and Progressed Sun/Moon midpoint. The progressed Sun/Moon moves on and quickly change degree so that any aspect will soon be over. Just as soon as this post is... Progressions and transits are like trains passing. Both on the move...

LINKS
See: Astromarkt.net about Progressed Sun aspects

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Born same day, die another day (time twins)

TIME TWINS WITH SIMILAR LIVES ARE RARITIES

Yes, I know those stories about the parallel lives of time twins and yes, I watched a documentary on television of a great example a few years ago myself (it was very interesting and I never found it back on the internet!).
But: these events are clearly as exceptional as we find them:). If not, there would have been modern databases kept by astrologers, wouldn't it? I think that those time twins with similar lives are rare. Why?

a. You can use Wikipedia to find data and names for days of birth and then you see the differences already. You might find correspondence, too. But one of the clearest ways to see if persons born on the same day have similar lives, is checking the year of death.Well...

b. Just check the social security numbers and date of births-site and see that all of those deceased men and women died on different days and in different years, even if they were born on the same day. Those people also differ from those who didn't have social security and were born on the same day. The deceased persons lists shows us that it is very much more common to die another day (see for example: http://ssdmf.info/by_birthdate/19400101.html )

But, how about the stories? Maybe there are one or two real life stories about time twins with the same 'fate' (I know there are some, because I watched the documentary a few years ago). However,
here are a few examples used in astrology books and they are not convincing.

1. There is that story about a king and the son of a stable boy, born on the same day, same place and hour. The story goes that they got married and became father in the same period and that they died on the same day. Their names: King George III and Samuel Hemming. Samuel opened a store on the day of the coronation. He married on September 8 1761, just like the king. They had an equal amount of children, had accidents on the same day and died on January 29, 1920. They even looked alike, they say. I read this in The Case for Astrology on page 187 a few years ago.  For some reason I became curious and so I looked for the chart on Astrodienst (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/George_III,_King_of_England ) and they don't mention a time twin. They do mention 15 children, however! That is exceptional! Did Samuel, too, have 15 children? Of course not. There is no Samuel. Astrology Research net studied this case:
http://www.astrology-research.net/rgcsa/abstractsdetails.asp?searchterm=Hemmings&Submit=Search&textfield32=Gauquelin+AND+Mars&WAQueryBuilder1=1&ID=169

2. The second story of time twins in The Case of Astrology is of Edna Hackensack. Can we verify this story? It is here: http://www.earth-essences.org/AstrologyPortal/page2.htm, without data and we can't ask them. Probably a female Samuel:)

3. One Giordano Venturini is said to have been born on the same day as Rudolph Valentino. The story goes that he looked much like him and that they died on the same day. More examples mentioned here (http://ar.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120918174147AAxYev1 ) including Samuel, but how do we know that all of those are true, verified and correct?

I am afraid that even if  you were born on the same day and place and hour and you have the same gender and same social circumstances, you might NOT live and die as your time twin does, did or will do.

MY CONCLUSIONS
a. Even if  you were born on the same day and place and hour and you have the same gender and same social circumstances, you might NOT live as your time twin does, did or will do, not even with almost the same chart.
That makes astrology one of the ways to explain and see things and not a tool for judgement or clear predictions.
(A lot of people want to know about the future and I am not an exception, but the future doesn't exist. The future has already changed now that I wrote this! And so has my place in it...)

b. The Ascendant and Midheaven, the Moon's degree and the aspects with AC/MC and Sun/Moon, including the angular positions, may be of more importance than the aspects, transits and progressions with the Sun and the planets.

c. Human beings are unique in expressing themselves...

d. Those who were born on the same day, most likely will DIE ANOTHER DAY, YEAR OR DECADE.

In almost every post I use to add that a chart is but a picture of the (astrological) sky, mirroring situations and that you can't read a chart without knowing facts like:
- is it about an event, man or woman, animal or business?
- what culture and time in history are we talking about?
- what social situation, genes and position are we talking about?
- what age is that person (or animal)?
That makes it easy for me to deal with the differences between the lives of persons who are born the same day, twins and time twins.

Charts can't be seen as know-it-all's! A chart is not a person. One chart can relate to a firm, a cat or an event, a chart can relate to a criminal or to a police man (both dealing with the issue crime). When you were born someone died, someone married, someone had an accident somewhere and maybe there was a political document being signed. All those events are described by the same chart. The components of the chart may look clear above, but there is a growing variety in the way that it looks on earth. The chart is a simplified description and every part of the chart has it's own vocabulary. And:

Astrology charts describes characters (not related to genes), tendencies and issues, not fate!

And I wonder if that is bad:) You don't need to be afraid when you read about your time twins! 

1. LINKS
2. 1. About an athlete, a famous dead singer and a pedophile born on the same day: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2012/03/born-same-day-and-yet-so-different.htm

2. This post is about the differences and similarities in the charts of twins with the Bird brothers birthday (no hour of birth) and the natal charts of Henri and Anton Pieck as examples. It is a longer post than usual, because it is about four people and three charts. 

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/06/twins-re-cumbria-massacre-and- pieck.html

3. Read what a difference a birth time makes: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2008/06/what-diference-birth-time-makes-birth.html

4. AstroDienst about time twins
http://www.astro.com/faq/fq_fh_twins_e.htm

5. Another take on time twins:
http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/twins.htm

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Saturn Neptune and involuntary detachment

Saturn-Neptune aspect combinations, says Reinhold Ebertin, carry the principle of suffering, renunciation and asceticism. They refer to poor, sick or depressed persons. The note on page 249 of his book 'The combination of Stellar Influences' says that Saturn-Neptune is the illness axis. There are several posts on this blog with examples (use the label Saturn-Neptune). What illnesses do, is keeping you in bed, inactive and in involuntary detachment.

In 2011 I had transit Saturn conjunct Neptune and was struck with neuritus vestibularis (a sudden extreme vertigo that keeps you flat on your back for days if not longer).  There are still remains of that 'attack' and I experienced this again and again whenever there was an overload of tasks or movements. The transit is being repeated by transit Neptune inconjunct Saturn. I also had a dental problem that was cured (I hope) mid January, with transit Neptune inconjunct Saturn and conjunct Jupiter (for the 3rd and last time). I think that the dental problem and the vertigo are related, but even though there is no scientific source of what causes neuritis vestibularis, the doctors say that there can be no link between an infection in the jaw and vertigo. What remains is the astrological link: Saturn-Neptune, Neptune-Saturn.

Saturn-Neptune is often a statement for involuntary detachment. I also found this aspect in the natal chart of a Dutch professor in criminology (born December 5, 1933) who was haunted by the press and activists after he started a study about the biology of criminals. In those days (early 80's) this was considered to be political incorrect. He got ill and depressed. Ultimately he left the world of science and went to Spain (he also had the international Jupiter rising before the sun).

Involuntary detachment: that is how Robert Hand 'translated' this aspect. Those two words seem to be the right words for Saturn-Neptune.

LINK
My earlier post on Saturn conjunct Neptune: http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2011/10/saturn-neptune-and-less-posts.html

Also visit: Astromarkt.net for example about plagues and Saturn-Neptune in history: http://www.astromarkt.net/saturn-neptune-and-plagues.html
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