Born same day and yet so different

A chart without hour of birth is not a real chart. It is just a circle with positions on a certain day , mostly for noon. The picture doesn't inform us about angular positions, the exact degree of the Moon, the Sun/Moon midpoint, the Ascendant or MC. It is a limited chart and in fact just a circle with data from an ephemeris. The chart without hour of birth informs us about elements, most placements in sign, most aspects, the planet rising before the sun, unaspected planets en most of the midpoint combinations. 

Charts with an hour of birth contain all of the astrological information and yet are limited as well. They don't tell us if the chart was meant for an event, a man or a woman, an animal or nation. Charts don't inform us about the gender, genes, culture, social circumstances or status. Charts also don't inform us about sexual preferences. We can't judge by means of a chart in case of crime, either, because the planet combinations introduce themes and issues, but never tell us 'who did it'  . See the label crime or crimes for examples.

Example PICTURE: 14 September 1983

An example is the chart for noon of September 1983. There is some astrological info. This chart tells us about:

• passion (because Venus and Mars are rising before the Sun), 
• flexibility (because of the amount of placements in flexibel = mutable signs) 
• being fiery (and risking a burn out or 'burn up') 
• creativity (not per se as an artist: it is about creative ways)
• ambition, somehow and anyhow (because of the fact that Saturn doesn't make any major aspect in sign or orb 5 degrees)

BORN 14 SEPTEMBER 1983 

Thousands were born on September 14, 1983. Among them where:

- Atlete Mestawet Tufa

- Singer Amy Winehouse (died 23 July 2011)

(BTW Astro.com has a time of birth: 22:25. It is a 'hear say' via friends of the mother)

- Pedophile Robert (of Robčiks) M. (see: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdamse_zedenzaak#Hoofdverdachte:_Rob.C4.8Diks_M.)

CONCLUSION

The symbols of astrology can't be adapted to each and everyone. All those born on September 1983 are Virgo. It is not quite clear how they expressed that. As they aren't all pedophiles, singers or athletes, there must be more than the natal positions that 'made them' who they are or were. Even a chart with hour of birth can't tell it all. But... we can use the chart the other way! 

The importance of sexuality and passion (Venus and Mars in the chart, prominently placed) is a catastrophe for someone with a sexual defect (and much more: for his victims). A love relationship paved the way to the end of Amy Winehouse. Athletes however may benefit from the importance of control and ambition (Saturn) and the fiery nature. But not unless there is a genetic basis and training, of course. It is in the way that you 'use it'. There is enough drive and ambition in this chart for various ways. Even for twins. And there is of course some correspondence in transits and progressions (with differences, also!). 

LINKS

Example of charts of twins: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2010/06/twins-re-cumbria-massacre-and-pieck.html

Also visit: Astromarkt.net

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Winston Churchill's natal chart

NOVEMBER 30 is the birthday of Winston Churchill. There are 3 posts about his natal chart on Astropost. His chart is the chart of a politician, above all, of leadership and ... of an artistic talent. It is clearly in the chart.

POLITICAL LEADERSHIP: Pluto and fixed/fire signs
The 'finger of God' in a Yod is pointing at the planet that is making an inconjunction with the two other planets, the apex. This 'finger of God' is pointing at Pluto and this highlighted Pluto is quintile his Mars: for the creative drive to win. Pluto is the symbol of winning, authority, power, strategy and politics. Pluto is the apex of his Yod of Pluto, Venus and Jupiter. Venus-Jupiter-Pluto is the trio of 'a lot of money' and of 'a lot of admirers'.

The 50% placements in fixed signs is for holding on and standing firm, the 50% in firesigns shows drive and pride. The fixed + fire sign Leo is the sign of leadership. The elementary placements in his chart also show the fundaments of leadership...

ARTISTIC PATTERN
He was a political leader and ...a painter and author. Moon 112.5 (square + half semi square) Venus and trine Neptune, connected with Midheaven show the pattern of artistic talent. And we can see the international and the optimist (Jupiter rising before the Sagittarius Sun) and Ceres (the motherland).

ASPECTS
Mars exactly trine Pholus
You know that Pholus is the astrological symbol of the turning point and Mars is the symbol of war. It seems perfectly correct that Winston Churchill was born on the day that there was a trine (symbol of ease) between Mars and Pholus. He made efforts and worked to create a turning point in World War II. Mars is also quintile Pluto for the dramatic creative winner*).

Mercury in Scorpio square Uranus
Mercury-Uranus always has controversial opinions and Winston Churchill was no exception.*)Some of the things that he said would bring him in trouble today, but the speech about the beaches was great...

"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

LINKS
*) The phyrric victory (Pholus inconjunct Pluto) in a tennis match: see : http://astropost.blogspot.com/2010/06/pholus-inconjunct-pluto-pyrrhic-victory.html

lChart of Winston Churchill

http://art-astrology.blogspot.com/2009/01/astrology-chart-winston-churchill.html

*) See the label Mercury-Uranus or google 'Astropost Mercury Uranus' for examples of the effect of this aspect in the charsts of famous controversial people like Sarah Palin (Mercury quintile Uranus), Berlusconi (always in the news...), Helen Thomas, David Cern and Sarazzin...

Also visit: Astromarkt.net

How long will your relationship last?

This post is about the effect of the elements and the length of a relationship. The composition of elements in your natal chart is one of the indications of how long you and a partner will be together. Of course there are other indications, too*). But the elements certainly have a big role to play.

Earth signs are the signs of realism and the wish to be respected. They are contributing to the length of relationships. Air signs are the signs of communications (and flirtations:). The fire signs are full of passion and the water signs are to be seduced (even though they like to belong to someone). The elements don't indicate if you will be faithful and true!:)

Capital signs take the initiative. The fixed signs hold on to what they have got. And the movable signs? They are not very stable.

Here are some famous examples:

Mel Gibson has 60% in fixed signs and that might be the reason why his marriage lasted more than 20 years.

Rihanna (20 February 1988) has Moon, Venus and Mars in fire signs, the signs of passion.
Chris Brown (5 May 1989) doesn't have any position in fire signs. He has Sun, Moon and Venus in Taurus, 60% in earth signs all together.
See my blog Art&Astrology for more about their relationship.

Dr. Robert Schuller (the television minister) has Moon, Venus and Mars in earth signs and that contributes to the length of his marriage.

Dutch Prince Bernhard (two daughters with two mistresses) had Venus and Mars in passionate fire signs. He did not divorce. He was a Cancer with 40% in watersigns.

His wife, Queen Juliana, had Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars in fixed signs. She knew about her husband's affairs and didn't divorce him after all.

John Kerry has Sun in Sagittarius, Moon and Mars in Gemini and Venus in Scorpio square Pluto. That is 3 times a flexible sign. He divorced and remarried a rich woman.

J.W. Jones, had Moon Venus and Mars in fire signs. Perhaps that explains the need for a lot of women.

John F. Kennedy had Sun and Venus in Gemini, Moon in Virgo (three times flexible signs) and he had Mars in Taurus. One woman was not enough for him.

Camille Parker Bowles waited all her life for the moment of her marriage (6 April 2005). She was the mistress of Prince Charles when they both were married. She has 50% in water signs.

Elisabeth Taylor has 50% in watersigns. She also has Gemini on the cusp of the 7th house of marriage. Gemini is an air sign and a double bodied sign. But that is another story. Read about that in the earlier post on this blog about multiple marriages and double bodied signs.

*) Strong indications for divorce are in the aspects between the 1st and 7th house and:
for women, afflictions between Sun-Mars, Sun-Uranus, Venus-Uranus or Mars-Saturn
for men, afflictions between Moon-Saturn, Moon-Neptune, Venus-Neptune or Mars-Uranus
When there are more 3 or more of these indications it is hard to get or stay married.

(c) http://astropost.blogspot.com

CHART OF DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, another Saturn-Pluto conspiracy man

I just posted about the charts of Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen and Adam Curry, all of them believe in a 0911 conspiracy. And then I remembered David Ray Griffin. I had something about him on my site Astromarkt, but that piece of my website cannot for some reason be published any more. Here is the refreshed story about him.

CHART OF DAVID RAY GRIFFIN
another Saturn-Pluto complot theory man

Theologist and philosopher David Ray Griffin is the leading voice in the conspiracy theories about 09/11 and a million seller author since his retirement. Without hour of birth there is no chart, but the ephemeris shows a lot of information about his birthday (8th August 1939, Santa Monica) anyway.

We see:
- Pluto (oriental) with Venus ahead of the Sun (money and politics)
- Sun at Aries Point semi square Jupiter/Neptune (beliefs, followers)
- No positions in water signs (empathy calling)
- No placements in air signs, too (communications calling)
- 70% in fixed signs (strong will, perseverance: " 9/11. David Griffin will never let this go until we get the truth."..Wikipedia quoting him)
- Combination of earth and fire (creativeness)
- Closest aspect: Saturn square Pluto (the die hard confronting people and I am beginning to believe it is frequent in the charts of those who suspect conspiracies)

And could not Saturn-Pluto be: ‘fear of politics and politicians’? Maybe it is.
Both Saturn and Pluto are connected to the Northern Node, reflecting the time he was born (just before the war). This aspect links business to power and money. And this aspect shows the controversial struggle of the scientist (Saturn is for the institute of science) against politics (Pluto), too. It is the combination of a person who withstands hard confrontations.

So what do we see? A very creative and will powered leading person with a conviction. Power, influence, politics and money come first in his chart. He is a rather tough and hard person you cannot reason with. A die-hard!
The missing elements point at specialization or being extreme and at having a focus on a certain area in life. No water, no air: social life at any level.

Strange enough his Venus is on the ascendant of president Bush (if that ascendant is 7d06m Leo). I heard him say on tele that it was possible that Bush personally was not involved in the conspiracy from the very beginning...With Venus on another person’s ascendant it is difficult not to be kind.

David Ray Griffin is a theologist. He has the Sun semi square Jupiter/Neptune. The combination of Jupiter/Neptune is also there in the chart of Gibson. Professor Griffin is publishing about 09/11 since 2004. That was the year of his progressed Mars sextile Jupiter. In 2006, progressed Jupiter was trine Pluto (for a lot of profit and success), with transit Jupiter square natal Sun for successes that do not come easy or with conflicts.When a person has a tight Saturn square Pluto, the trines with Pluto will always be inconjunctions with Saturn at the same time. In 2006 Griffin had his fortune, but he also experienced the disadvantages and the price to pay.

In October of 2006 a tape recording of Atta was found. DAVID RAY GRIFFIN (8th August 1939 Santa Barbara) will not have been happy with this discovery since he had Transit Saturn square his natal Uranus at the time. GEORGE W. BUSH (6th July 1946, 7h26 a.m. New Haven) seemed to profit from the tape. Transit Pluto was making a perfect trine with the Midheaven (MC). Pluto is the planet of the politician, but also the symbol of discovery and investigation.

PS
This time there is no date of birth starting with a 3 involved, like with Charlie Sheen and Mel Gibson:).