Individual charts, groups and fate

A year and one month ago there were explosions in Oslo and a killer with an automatic gun shot and killed dozens on an island nearby. What did the charts of the people involved have to do with it? In this blog I want to share my thoughts about the role of the individual chart in times of group disaster (or glory). And I show you a strange interaction between the charts of the killer and the victims (even though he didn't even know them personally).

CHARTS HELP?
When disasters kill and injure many persons at the same time and place, astrologers are asked about the value of a chart. Some astrologers seek the tragic group destiny in the individual's chart. Others have difficult  theories about groups of persons brought together to pay for an invisible  guilt or fault in their past lives (I consider that an awful and unproven accusation, blaming victims). Fact is, that in a mass event there can't be a joint transit or progression. That is because it doesn't matter who you are.I think that charts of individuals are as helpful as characters would be in the given situation. Charts of individuals are sometimes insignificant. Charts of individuals only matter if there is a choice and a chance.

When you had no chance at all, like on that Norwegian island in a group assembled on the main square, or in an earthquake or tsunami, it doesn't help if you had a nice chart or only difficult aspects. That is because it doesn't matter if you are polite, or ambitious, or a dreamer or a fighter. Individuals are subject to the charts of their leaders (especially in a hierarchic situation or strict authority). Individuals are subject to the chart of their nation or specific place (when it is about war or natural disasters). Just as we all depend on the earth, the safety of the place where we live and (as a kid) of our parents.

In given circumstances, in a group, when there is a chance and a choice to make, there is a chance for the person's chart. Else, it is 'des astres'...There is no individual 'crime and punishment' or 'what comes around goes around' when it is about group events or the disasters in Japan or Somalia. 

NUANCES

When there is a chance for self rescue or when you are in the circumstances that enable you to survive, you will. The contrary is also true: the chart can be in your disadvantage. In times of war or disaster difficult transits and progressions make it harder to survive. Do you know 'I shouldn't be alive'? It is about people who almost died, but survived, often because of a strong will. In certain conditions, it is over when you give up. But there are, unfortunately, also situations that offer no chance at all. 

Just consider this....Transits, progressions and natal charts of individuals in times of war and danger might make a difference, at least for a while, and perhaps that is enough sometimes. But if you are a baby born in Somalia today the smallest nasty transit or progression might be enough to kill you. Those born with the same aspects but in wealth might only catch a cold. Circumstances, situations, genes, gender...they matter. When they are stronger than the will and character of one person, what can he/she do?

NORWAY

Nevertheless I started to study the data of the victims in Norway.  Then I found a strange correspondence between the chart of the anonymous victim and the chart of a killer, like in the case of the Oslo bombings and the later shooting. I have no idea why or what it means. I just noticed it.

The names and birth data of 4 of the Norwegian victims have been published in July. Three of the victims died in Oslo because of the explosions. One, the youngest, was killed on the island. They didn't know the murderer (Anders Breivik). They couldn't expect this to happen and they did nothing wrong to cause it. Their charts didn't help them. And even though the three victims in Oslo didn't know the person who was responsible for their violent death, and the fourth only saw him shooting, there is a connection between their charts and the chart of Breivik and it is in the movable signs. Breivik's progressed Mars was square transit Pholus (a turning point in aggressoin/a battle) in the degrees between 14 and 15 of the movable signs. His natal Pholus was in the 22nd degree of movable signs. His Neptune was in the 20st of movable signs. The Venus of the three victims in Oslo was:
- in the 20th of Virgo (square the Neptune of Breivik),
- zero Taurus (semi square the Mars of Breivik and square transit Pholus),
- 21.2 Virgo (square transit Mars and opposition the Pholus of Breivik).
- The youngest victim, killed on the island, had Venus in the 14th of Gemini (opposition transit Pholus and square the Mars of Breivik).

I don't know why it is Venus. I know that transit Pholus square the progressed Mars of Breivik is reflecting the shooting and the violence. Mars-Pholus is in aspect with the Venus of three of the victims. One of them had a Venus-Neptune synastry with Breivik and no Mars-Pholus link, but of course: the Ascendant or MC could be involved. It could just be coincidence and perhaps there is more. I stop here.
The data: 31 July 1954, 21 March 1950, 31 July 1978 and 7 July 1988.

CONCLUSION
My conclusion is that:
. the charts of people in group disasters are subject to the circumstances (disaster comes from 'des astres' = from the stars and that is outside our competence and reach)
. if characters don't matter, charts don't either
. the charts of victims only help when there is a chance and a choice
. charts of victims can work against the chances of survival in times of war and disaster
. there might be a connection between the chart of the anonymous victim and a group killer's chart, even if they didn't know each other. 
But it doesn't help anyone survive if they know this (just like it doesn't help them to find the reason afterwards)...so any study would just be 'for the records'. To me it is a confirmation of what I think: that you can't read charts without knowing the personal, environmental, social and political situation and circumstances. They matter. And ofen, they matter more. Like in a group disaster.

LINKS
Here is an example of a personal chart that helped to survive. Climbers were in trouble and the climber who was rescued and survived happened to have transits of Jupiter on that day: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2008/08/k2-climber-wilco-van-rooijen-rescued.html

An individual football player can score and have a good day when his team loses the game, can he? And the team can have a great day and win, while the individual couldn't catch the ball (and the coach noted it). But in the end, the individual's position will be subject to the position of the team, unless he leaves the team. That is what makes it hard to predict the results of a match (though I tried, see the label 'football' and ' EC').

Also visit: Astromarkt.net for example:
Accidents and astrology on Astromarkt

http://www.astromarkt.net/accidents-and-astrology.html

Raymond Domenech: fanatic drive to win

Raymond Domenech is the trainer of the French football team. They beated Ireland, but...Thierry Henry used his hands just before the most important goal. Now the Irish dispute the results of the game and demand that the game should be replayed entirely. There is even a poll on the site of LA Times

Above is the time unknown chart of Domenech, who seems to know about sun signs, but not about transits. He once said that he was certain to win, but he lost (with transit Saturn inconjunct Sun - a signal for defeat -).

Now he has transit Pluto square progressed Sun adn progressed Sun inconjunct Mars. In the natal chart Sun is quindecile (165( Pluto and square Mars, with Mars quintile Pluto. That is a strong combination for a coach and shows a strong and creative drive to win, as you may read on my site Astromarkt. This natal combination is now being activated and highlighted, including a slight danger to get angry or driven too much (with possible health problems as a result).

And it seems that his team won anyway (and France will go to South Africa next year), because I just read that the Fifa won't have the match replayed. It is the referee who decides, not the Fifa, they say.
See the Guardian, with the 'hands' and Raymond Domenech in the video.

I wrote about Domenech and astrology in June 2008...see this link...
For more about astrology and football, click the label on Astropost.blogspot.com

Susan Boyle and the finale (..select your moment...)

This is an easy post, because it is easier to after-dict than to pre-dict and also more 'astropolitical correct'. Here is a belated 'glass ball' that shows what all of you can see, too:
1. the aspects of transitting planets of yesterday and
2. the MC of the final moment of the broadcasting
This of course in combination with the natal positions of Susan Boyle.

In short: there were too many difficult aspects last night. It is a rather alarming picture. There were more than 3 indications for not becoming the winner of 100.000 pounds and a visit to the Queen. Nevertheless: earlier this year (with SA Mercury-Jupiter) she had her contract and she become known all over the world. Yesterday however, was not her best lucky day.

A. TRANSITS

1. Transit Mars square Saturn (hard competition)
2. Transit Saturn inconjunct Midheaven (giving up on a position, stepping back...)
3. Transit Neptune semi square Sun (frustrating disappointment)
4. Transit Jupiter semi square Sun (frustrating success)
(Jupiter and Neptune together are the combination of the devoted audience, the fans, and the media attention.)
5. Transit Uranus 15 degrees from the Sun for tension.
6. Tertiairy Moon inconjunct natal Moon: emotional outburst?
7. Transit Pluto square Solar Arc MC: period of transformation, courage needed in the profession.

Inconjunctions often reflect a loss. Semi squares indicate possible frustration. Inconjunctions and semi squares dominate the above picture of the transits for Susan Boyle during the finale last night. There is no trine, no conjunction with a beneficial planet.. .

In the earlier post 'Heroes, Angles and Sun inconjunct Neptune' I mentioned the present semi square of transit Neptune with Susan Boyle's Sun and the meaning of Neptune (disappointment), also considering the existing Sun inconjunct Neptune in her natal chart. Transits and progressions with the same combination of planets as aspects in the natal chart are activating the combination of the natal chart. Such 'repeated' combinations have a stronger effect than other transits or progressions. .
And there was even more Neptunic influence...

B. THE MC OF THE FINAL MOMENT (EXIT)
There was another firm indication of disappointment, again with Neptune involved. See the chart below:

This is the chart of the final moment of the television broadcasting program Britain's Got More Talent. The Midheaven (and/or the most elevated point of the circle, the square with the Ascendant) points at Neptune, Susan Boyle's natal Neptune. When I saw that, I was almost certain that she would not be the winner. During the EC and WC football I used the Midheaven of the final moment of a match and the natal chart of the coaches to try to see which one was happier with the results. I was happy with the method used with football matches!:) There were some interesting results (see the link).

SELECT A MOMENT
An artist has no free will to choose the final moment of the finale and coaches are not able to select the hour of the matches. But you can perhaps choose an hour for an important meeting, just by watching the astrological clock. Maybe it works and if it doesn't, no harm done. Please consider that Susan Boyle has become famous all over the world, even though she didn't win (and see Venus conjunct IC in the solar return: a good year and the progressed Sun in the final degrees of a sign, indicating a life style changing).

MORE
- about Susan Boyle's natal chart
- about Heroes, Angles and Sun inconjunct Neptune

(c) http://astropost.blogspot.com

SPAIN WON THE EC2008

Spain has won the European Championships Football 2008! And so did astrology, because the system worked again!:)

Please see for the prognosis! Aragonès definitely had the best chances in the final moments of the game and he had the best day in general.

EUROPEAN CHAMPION SPAIN or GERMANY What do the charts tell us?

Somewhere between 22h30 and 22h38 on June 29, the European Championship is finished and we all will know who the winner is. I like to do an experiment again and try to see beforehand which team will likely be the winner. It is complicated because of the varying final moment and it is complicated anyway, like predicting the weather.

I think Spain has the best chances. Why? It is not just a 50% chance and a favourite, it is based upon astrology and a certain method that I used before.
I think Spain will probalby win, based on the chart of the final moment and the tightest synergie between the cross of that chart and the positions of the trainers/coaches. It worked before, and it might work again, but we will only be sure on June 29.

1. GERMANY
Joachim Löw has Neptune in 9d07 Scorpio. That is square the Ascendant of the final moment! I know that Venus-Neptune is important in his chart and was activated in the winning match against Turkey, but then Neptune was not crucially on top of the chart. Also, his Pluto is square Midheaven! There are 'bad' transits as well: Venus opposition his Saturn, Mars sesquisquare Saturn and Pluto semi square Sun (just like in the chart of Guus Hiddink). Although he has good prospects in general (progressed Sun square Jupiter), on June 29th he will not have his best day.

2. SPAIN
Luis Aragonès (28th July 1938, born near Madrid) also has good prospects (progressed Sun sesquisquare Jupiter). Transit Jupiter is trine his Uranus, for positive changes, and square Saturn for late succes. He managed to get a contract in Turkye (Fenerbahçe), btw.

On the final moment the Ascendant is in the 10th degree of Aquarius and the Midheaven in 5d05 Sagittarius (trine his Sun, for a sunny moment:). Transit Jupiter is trine Ceres (good harvest).

DISCLAIMER:
Warning: this preview or prognosis is experimental! I started the experiment during the World Championships and I like to continue to see if it works. I publish this for verification reasons. The reader of this blog is a witness that I did not alter the findings after the game. I also publish this because it might be useful for the results of examns, elections, meetings etc. And if it does not work, I tried...Up to now, it goes fine, but you never know. Statistics sometimes do not work the other way around...

I also don't know the right final moment (at 22h44 it will be Löw's Sun shining on the Ascendant, for example). And results in the past do not necessarily predict those of the future. This is an experiment. So: a very carefully whispered...Spain is my favorite. Keep it a secret:) And come back for the evaluation.

RELEVANT:
the WC football predictions in Dutch only...
Basics of astrology

LOOKING BACK AT THE CHART RUSSIA-SPAIN AND...How about the EC2008 Final?

METHOD
I use:
- the right final moment of the match
- the tightest and growing aspects of the positions of the coaches with the corners of the chart
and with that in mind I look at the match Russia-Spain and the positions of the coaches on the outside.

RUSSIA-SPAIN
It is a clear picture at that moment and at that place: Sun of Aragonès conjunct the Descendant; Saturn and Mars are crucial in Guus Hiddink's case with a crucial Ceres on the Ascendant inconjunct his Sun. Inconjunct = for losing and giving up. Saturn is not the right planet to win a game with and Mars-Saturn in combination is 'end of fight, disadvantage of sports, dead end of energy'.
BTW I like the special role Ceres has in this chart. Ceres of Hiddink (the coach of Russia) is on the Ascendant of the final moment and... inconjunct his Sun. Ceres symbolises a.o. 'harvest'. And the 'harvest' had a mismatch (inconjunct) with his Sun.

It is obvious, provided that you know when the match finishes and up to now that might be up to 8 minutes after the official moment (and up to 38 minutes after prolongation).

THE EUROPEAN CHAMPION: SPAIN OR GERMANY?
With all that in mind I hesitate to look ahead at the final game on June 29, 20h45 - ??

I think Spain might be the winner. That is because at 22h34 Aragonès has his Sun trine the Midheaven of the final whistle (that I plan at 22:34:00:)
He also has Jupiter trine both progressed Mars AND Uranus. That 'shapes'a large trine of the combination Mars-Jupiter-Uranus, a combination that I consider to be the sign of a succesful operation or ...match.
His opponent Joachim Löw has Neptune on top at that moment, square Ascendant. I have been considering the effect of Venus-Neptune in the last game, but...Neptune is crucial now (tightly square Ascendant) and his Pluto is tightly square Midheaven! That combined with the positions of the Spanish coach makes me think that Spain will win instead of Germany. Also, transit Mars is afflicting his Saturn...
But I might be wrong this time, of course. Astrologers have the same difficulties in predicting as the weather forcast teams have. Statistics usually fail to work the other way around. So the fact that the methode works, does not mean that it will always work.

I will be back about the final match Germany-Spain later, with the charts.

CHART GERMANY-TURKYE

It is interesting that the Germans won in the final minute of a match that ended at 22h38m40s, instead of at the official moment: 22h30. It must not have been a relaxing 10 minutes for the players, fans and coaches! As I was unable to find a birth date of the Turkish coach on Internet at all (which is very strange) there are only two charts to look at: the chart of the match in Basel, June 25, and the chart of Joachim Löw, the German coach. I see music (Venus and Neptune) in the combination!

BIRTH CHART LÖW AND TRANSITS
Joachim Löw was a technical assistent before he became the trainer of the national team. An oriental Mars for a focus on sports, conjunct Saturn, tells us that he might be somewhat rigid in his methods. Jupiter is calling (no Ptolemeic aspects in sign or orb 5d) and that makes Mars and Jupiter the most prominent planets in the chart. Mars-Jupiter happens to be the combination of the sports international, a succesful combination that points at a lot of energy and doing great.

Now there were a few very tight transits at 22h38m40s with the birth chart of Joachim Löw, the trainer, born February 3, 1960 in Schönau im Schwarzwald. And there is a Venus-Neptune connection that I like to point at.

THE MIDHEAVEN TRANSIT
I use to take the MC as the most important angle, pointing at results. The actual MC of the final moment was 23d58m47s Scorpio. Venus of Löw is between 8d14 and 9d30 (as his birth time is unknown, I cannot be certain). So that is Venus semi square the MC and opposition natal Venus. The MC is also conjunct his midpoint Sun/Pluto. And the MC is quindecile Neptune (14d51).


So called minor aspects within less than one degree of orb, aspects with Ceres and Chiron etc., complete the picture:
Transit Mars opposition Chiron, Uranus sextile Ceres. Sun sesquisquare Mercury, Sun semisquare Uranus (for tension), Mercury biquintile Neptune, Mars quintile Neptune, Saturn quindecile Mercury, Neptune semi square Venus and quindecile (105) Neptune, Pluto quindecile (15d) Mars, Chiron quindecile (165) Pluto...

A whole world of emotions! And that is not all for the day: Sun sextile Pluto (for stress and the will to win), Venus trine Neptune, Mars trine Jupiter...
I focus on the MC and the Ascendant, where I find Ascendant quindecile (75d)Neptune and 15d Venus, but more of importance for the results: MC septile Mars and quindecile Neptune (14d51).

VENUS AND NEPTUNE FOR VICTORY???
Every time Venus and Neptune come back.

1. The MC of the final moment is 23d58m47 Scorpio, Venus 9d12 Cancer and Neptune 24d04m40s Aquarius.

2. The German coach Joachim Löw has a tight Venus sextile Neptune aspect in his chart, no birth time, February 2, 1960 Schönau im Schwarzwald. (Venus about 8d52 Cap, Neptune 9d05m35 Scorpio).

3. His Venus-Neptune is in aspect with the transit Venus, Neptune and MC of the moment that his team won the game.

4. In the year of the EC 2008 his progressed Venus is trine Neptune and sextile Sun, while the progressed Sun is biquintile Neptune.

5. So that his progressed Venus and Neptune are 105 and 15 degrees away from the Midheaven of the final moment.

Maybe I should read that as: there was music in the moment?:) On the Internet I found that Löw is popular and 'Young Germans' called him 'a charming strategist'. I guess winning the match mad him even more popular. And as the finale of the EC 2008 occurs on a day that the solar transit is opposition his Venus and trine his Neptune, with transit Neptune semi square his Venus there might be music in the finales, too. But it also depends on who will be the other finalist, Russia or Spain. I am curious!

MC INCONJUNCT SUN = LOSING
Nihat Khaveci, the Turkish player, was not playing as he needs surgery. On the final moment of the game his Uranus is conjunct the midheaven. But Ugur Boral (14th April 1982 in Tokat) scored. As a matter of facts, he has Venus quintile Neptune in his chart...At the final decepting moment his Ceres is conjunct the Midheaven. On the 25th transit Neptune was sextile his Sun and Saturn square Uranus (tightly!). For the results I point at MC inconjunct Sun...The quincunx shows a mismatch between the moment and his vitality. In general inconjunctions symbolise lost.

RELEVANT:
Astrodatabank about Venus-Neptune

NETHERLANDS-RUSSIA 1 -3

Guus Hiddink, the Dutchman who coaches Russia, had very good prospect for the game Netherlands - Russia. At about 22h35 in Basel the local MC was opposition his Jupiter. It was 1-1 and the game was prolonged. At 23:10 his Venus was conjunct the MC, the game ended and he had won.

Marco van Basten, the coach of The Netherlands, had Neptune conjunct MC at 22:35. Although the Netherlands performed very well before, the fact that in the solar return of Van Basten for this year Saturn was conjunct IC made me wonder about the victories.

For myself this is a moment that I value astrology even more than I did before (and that was already a high value:)

THE SUCCESSES OF MARCO VAN BASTEN Jupiter on his side...

In the chart below (progressed and transits) you see Jupiter close to the progressed Ascendant in the first hous of the chart of Dutch football coach Marco van Basten (born 31101964 102500 MET Utrecht 0050700 E 520600 N). As you can see, Jupiter, the lucky planet, is on his side!

(c)Marga Bervoets

EC AND ASTROLGOY: DUTCH COACH OF RUSSIA, RUSSIA AGAINST HOLLAND

Guus Hiddink is a very good Dutch football coach. He manages Russia to the European Championships and even got them in the quarter finales! Now, on the 21st of June, Russia plays against The Netherlands (coach is Van Basten). I wonder about that game...

WARNING: I WILL BE WRONG!:)
You know that I try to preview the final score of football matches by looking at the positions of the planets in the natal chart of the coach and the actual Midheaven. The nasty thing is that the whistle on the end of the game is often NOT in time (in the cases below 22h30) but up to 8 minutes later! And sometimes even more, when there are penalties to be taken. So don't bet on it, I don't either:) This is an experiment! An experiment that will fail anyway. It might be confusing for you, but as you see in the above chart, my Neptune is right on top of the chart of the final moment and so it seems that I will be all wrong:)

THE CHARTS
If you are still interested in the charts and my reading, please continue:)

Here you see 3 charts of final moments with the positions of the coach on the outside. Sun and Jupiter are for celebrations, agreed? And Neptune is more contemplating, at least, ok? Now look at the charts...

a. Russia - Sweden in Innsbruck incl. ca. 5 minutes 'injurytime', positions of Hiddink on the outside. Results: Hiddink wins!
And his Sun and Jupiter are on the actual MC

b. Final moment Holland - Russia in Basel with positions of Hiddink.
Clearly the same Sun and Jupiter on the MC!

c. Same moment, now with the positions of VAn Basten, the coach of the Netherlands.
Do I see Neptune?:( So, eh...

It is unbelievable and I dare hardly say so, but according to these charts, Russia might even win. But, because of the fact that both Hiddink and Van Basten have a Solar transit - Venusday, I guess they will end up equal. But in that case, there will be penalties and if the real end of the game would be 22h50, 'Orange' will win the game.

You know what? I will be back when the game is over:)

RELEVANT:
Earlier message about Guus Hiddink

(c)Marga Bervoets

RAYMOND DOMENECH AND ASTROLOGY

Raymond Domenech, the coach of France in the EC Football 2008 was born January 24 1952 in Lyon and he is an astrologer, too. It seems he uses astrology in his work. Now that he lost, this fact is used in the media to put him down even more and to laugh about astrologers, of course.

I don't know how much he knows about astrology. What he knows is, that he is an Aquarius and that is why he avoids Scorpios and Leos in his team. Not the finest choice, since in the Dutch team (that defeated his) Marco van Basten is a Scorpio and so is the keeper (Van der Sar). If you want to know more about sunsigns, click here or see the article about the basics of astrology, (sunsigns, elements, aspects etc.).

In Sportwereld the link with astrology is called 'silly'. Well, we astrologers ARE, arenot we?:) The article says that Domenech said beforehand that up till June 11 'the stars' would not be on his side, but that it would be better after that day (but the article does not mention why).
I wonder if Domenech was aware that he has transit Saturn inconjunct the Sun right now. And if he knew what the impact of the chart of the coach is for the whole team. (Imagine, when a team fails, most of the time the coach is dismissed afterwards! So the positions of the coach's chart is of importance.)

The interest in astrology often goes together with Jupiter-Uranus connections. Domenech has Sun in Aquarius (ruled by Uranus) with Moon in Sagittarius (ruled by Jupiter). Jupiter is square Uranus. And Uranus is linked to the midpoint Mercury/Jupiter.

I wonder, would his knowledge of astrology have been limited to starsigns only? Or did not he say much more to avoid being called a looney? The article in 'Sportwereld' and moreover, the reactions of the readers, demonstrate what the general opinion is (certainly in The Netherlands) when astrology is concerned. One of the opinions of the reader is that sport or football has nothing at all to do with astrology. But as you may have noticed on this blog, astrologers can have a look at the prospects, the coaches and the football players:)

FOOTBALL EC2008 AUSTRIA-POLAND and the explosion of Beenhakker

Click on the chart drawing for a better view of the final moment of the match Austria-Poland. On the outside of the chart you see the birth chart positions of Leo Beenhakker (born August 2, 1942 in Rotterdam at 16h50 MEST). He is the coach of Poland. Poland lost the game.

FOOTBALL EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIP 2008 AND ASTROLOGY French coach and chances Netherlands-France

Football, the EC2008 and the match Netherlands-France...in an astrologers' blog. I try to make a prognosis. Who will win, who will not? I think having a look at the chart of the final moment of the game, compared with the chart of the trainer or coach, will reveal a lot.

DOMENECH
Raymond Domenech is the French coach, born January 24, 1952 in Lyon. He practises astrology, is not that nice!? The confirmation of this fact is to be seen in Sun Aquarius/Moon Sagittarius with Jupiter square Uranus (and sesquisquare Mercury/Jupiter). But...will the stars be on his side tomorrow? en hij doet aan astrologie! Leuk gegeven, dat je bevestigd vindt in de combinati

Transit Jupiter will be square the Ascendant on the final moment, provided that that moment is 22h30 and not 5 minutes later like in the game Switzerland - Turkye (with fatal results for Switzerland...and pleasant ones for Turkey). Because every minute more makes the actual descendant come closer to Uranus and makes the Saturn of Domenech get higher and higher in the chart. Notice that transit Saturn is inconjunct the natal Sun of Domenech these days and that the progressed Sun is about to change sign.

HENRY
To be certain I checked the chart of Thierry Henry, born 17th of August 1977 at 18h45 in Poitiers. In his chart Uranus is conjunct MC and at the final moment his Uranus is conjunct the actual MC, too. Will he cause upheavel or will there be tension, a surprise, something unexpected? There are no signs of joy and transit Neptune opposition his Sun might point at a disappointing period in life. Maybe he does not even play!

VAN NISTELROOIJ
No, the chart of the Dutch Van Nistelrooij is more fortunate with the Sun on the descendant of the final moment of the game. And Marco van Basten'Sun is close to the MC of the final whistle.

HOLLAND WINS
So my guess is that the Netherlands win this game, maybe in a game that causes tension and excitement in the final minutes. I will see it tomorrow! And don't think it is bias. My prognosis for Netherlands-Romania is completely different.But I will have to check the Rumanian coach as well, of course.

THE PAINFULL MOMENT FOR KUHN Swiss coach views his team losing in the final moments

Here you see the chart drawing of the final moment of Switzerland-Turkye surrounded by the natal positions of Jacob Kuhn (trainer of the Swiss football team in the EC2008). What does it tell us?
- his Pluto square the moment (problem or challenge)
- his Saturn close to the Sun (a solar transits that points at depression or fear)
- Vulcanus (here he is again:), on the IC, for a public 'punishment' or 'slaughter'

And there are no good aspects at all...Very clear, is not it? And all of that while the position of Neptune high above the chart of the final moment would have been enough to visualise desillusion.

PREDICTING FOOTBALL

Here you see the chart of the final moment of The Netherlands - Italy in the European Championship 2008, played this evening (Holland won with 3-0!:). Outside the circle are the natal positions of Marco van Basten, the Dutch coach.

To predict the results I have tried before to look at the final moment of the game and the positions of the natal or progressed planets of the trainer, in this case Marco van Basten. I think Holland will win the match Netherlands-France, because I see his Sun on the actual Midheaven in this chart, just like it will be on July 9 (Holland-France). But ...

The Netherlands-Rumania on the 13th might be disappointing for Van Basten (as his Neptune is by then conjunct the actual Midheaven of the final moment). We will see...To be complete I should also check the charts of the Rumanian and France coach, of course...Maybe later.




PS The predictive system WORKED: Holland won, France lost!