Mars-Saturn and overcoming difficulties

What is Mars-Saturn about? Quoting myself:

 inevitable, obligatory action or inactivity based upon duty, age, fear or caution. Sometimes Mars-Saturn refers to a healt problem.

Heroes have Mars-Saturn aspects. Soldiers have it. I wrote about Mars and Saturn before (see the label or go to Astromarkt to read it). But what does Mars-Saturn do in the charts of musicians? I have two examples.

In this blog I wonder if Mars-Saturn conflicts mirror a  flirtation with death or 'walking on the edges'.   I wonder if Peter Doherty*) is an example of that. And I worry a bit about the Mars-Saturn aspects in the chart of David Bowie.

PETER DOHERTY
Peter Doherty is an example of a conflict between an important Mars and an important Saturn. (Saturn is the apex of a Yod with Venus and Mercury; Mars rises before his Sun). Mars is also opposition Saturn. That means that the theme of Mars-Saturn (the end of all energy or the discipline of how to use it)  is the main issue in his life. I found another famous example of an important Mars-Saturn aspect: David Bowie with Mars quatronovile (160d) Saturn. Both artists have Mars rising before the sun. They are do-ers.

DAVID BOWIE

Now watch the chart of David Bowie. He sings that we could be heroes, just for one day. I remember 'Merry  Christmas, mr. Lawrence' where he acted as a hero. For many of his fans, he IS a hero. And yes,  there is a minor aspect between an important Mars and an important Saturn in his chart, too.  It is a quatronovile, for cheerfully coping with difficulties and setbacks.


There is also a Mars-Saturn activity in progressions and transits now. There have been rumors about his health on the internet and on twitter. His wife says that he is OK. His chart says that Transit Saturn is sesquisquare his progressed Mars and inconjunct Progressed Sun right now. Progressed Mars and Progressed Saturn are getting closer to an inconjunct in the next years. The issue of discipline gets stronger as he gets older.

All that doesn't mean that there has to be clear and present danger right now. I have experienced a few transits of Saturn square my Mars and I didn't feel OK, but I didn't die, either. This transit ' only ' blocked my energy and activity and I felt that. In the chart of Bowie Mars-Saturn (discipline, restricted energy) is a theme, so the present transit and progression might be of importance. If only because his fans worry about him. But, there are also rumors that David Bowie will be singing at the Olympics! And that the biographies about him will be good for selling songs. Maybe he is just gathering some discipline to be able to perform? We'll hope that he overcomes the Mars-Saturn limitations and hopefully see the act!

PS
I searched the internet to find news about Bowie and found Mick Jagger, again (he has a conflict with transit Pholus and his sex life is being highlighted all the time). They appear to have had a long lasting love affair when they were young (see: http://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/bookworm/mick-jagger-and-david-bowie-s-love-affair-revealed-in-new-tell-all-book_2407.htm )
Transit Uranus is now square Bowie's Ascendant/MC midpoint. He is news!

*) Peter Doherty spent time in prison, and the latest news reports imply that it didn't help much to stop the addictions. He spent a few weeks in a clinic in Thailand in vain. With Mars-Saturn discipline and dealing with limitations and barriers is a big deal. However, he managed to work in those years, to produce albums and to write. That requires at least some discipline.
BTW Isn't it interesting that his first real job was digging graves? And that his father was an army officer? It is very Mars-Saturn (the army and work related to endings).

LINKS
On my site Astromarkt, all about Mars-Saturn...

David Bowie's pattern of artistic talents (he has more than one) on Art&Astrology

I wrote about Doherty before, here on Astropost.

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/04/mars-saturn-and-slapping.html In this blog I show examples of the issue of slapping and Mars-Saturn

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/04/bobby-brown-lives.html
Bobby Brown has Mars inconjunct Saturn. He is addicted to drugs, too and was the husband of Whitney Houston. She left him because of violence.

http://astropost.blogspot.nl/2010/02/synastry-brown-blair-mars-inconjunct.html
Mr. Brown and Mr. Blair didn't like each other much. Is the Mars-inconjunct- Saturn- synastry to blame?

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The progressed Midheaven

When I published ‘Progressed Sun, what it is and how’ (about Progressed Sun, Moon and planets) I promised to get into the whole progressed chart later. The way to calculate the frame (Ascendant, MC and houses) is quite different than the way to calculate positions of Sun, Moon and planets, as you may well know. If you know how to calculate a birth chart, it is rather easy to calculate a progressed chart, once that you have chosen a method. And that, selecting a method, is the most difficult step in the process. For those who want to 'progress' a Midheaven it is not easy to make a choice.  They are confronted with: Solar Arc Midheaven, Primary Midheaven, Secondary (Progressed) Midheaven. You can also simply add 1 degree for each year. And there is a reversed version, too! Yes, there are even more ways to progress a chart than those that I mentioned here (see Wikipedia)! Because of the number of systems and methods I very much doubt that one of them is 100% perfect. I mostly use the secondary progression of MC because of the fact that it is the most used system in Europe (and I guess that this has a reason:). But I used the Primary Midheaven before (it is just that the program that I used is on an old laptop). 

DIFFERENT METHODS, DIFFERENT RESULTS

Apparently, I haven't found the best way to progress a Midheaven, yet, even not after many many hours trying to 'correct' my chart so that the longitude degrees between planets would correspond perfectly with the progression of Midheaven or Ascendant. 

All methods give a different degree for the progressed MC for the same year. The difference is about 5.3 degrees for my own progressed charts for this year! That is difference of about 5.3 years in life time and the difference between a Progressed MD opposition Pluto, sesquisquare Saturn or sesquisquare Uranus. (Maybe with such progressions it doesn't really matter, they are all difficult:). 

MY CONCLUSION

Correcting charts by means of using aspects of or transits with Progressed MC or Ascendant isn’t easy because of the existing amount of methods. The progressed, primary, Bonatti or Solar Arc MC aren't  solid tools to 'correct' a birth time...

What method do you use or prefer? Please do the poll...

NEXT: PROGRESSED CHART AND TRANSITS

The progressed Midheaven is the key to finding the Ascendant and the positions of the Progressed Sun, Moon and planets in the chart drawing (and in the houses). I use the progressed chart to see the changed priorities and the most important issues. 

LINKS

Also see: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2011/06/time-rectification-and-correction.html

There is more about progressions on Astromarkt, with a number of links to related posts.

http://www.astromarkt.net/progressions.html#pt 

Interesting (if you like to fine tune)

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/pran.html Progressing the Angles by David McCann

http://www.ccrsdodona.org/m_dilemma/1981/vir/progcusp.html Progressed Angles by Mark Pottenger

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Progressed Sun - what it is and how

I can see that someone is desperately seeking information about how to calculate the progressed Sun on this blog. By the time that I finished this post it will probable be to late for him or her, but maybe it is a good idea to tell some more about the progressed Sun, because I often use the positions in the progressed chart (next: what is a progressed chart....but later...). 

I have written about progressed Sun before, on this blog:

HOW TO FIND YOUR PROGRESSED SUNOn this blog there are several examples of the effect of changing sun signs that you can find by clicking on the label 'changing sun sign'. If you don't have the means to calculate a chart, go to Astro.com to find the degree of your Sun. Every sign has 30 degrees. If your Sun was in the 15th degree at birth (that is when you are born around the 7th of the month), it will take the progressed Sun about 15, 45 and 75 years to move into the next sign. When you were born on the 23rd of the month you will be about 30, 60 and 90 when your progressed Sun sign changes. 

Also visit: Astromarkt.net about progressed Sun aspect where you find this:

The progressed Sun is the position of the sun x day after birth for x year after birth. The new position of the sun creates new aspects (distances with a meaning) with Moon and planets in the natal and progressed chart. Those aspects of the progressed Sun create a new situation or state of mind. 

TABLE DATE
And still, that is too simple if you want an exact date for the progressed Sun to change sign or for calculating an aspect between progressed Sun and natal or progressed positions in the chart. If you want to do it by hand (and who wants that?!:) you use the time of birth and an ephemeris. Every (about) 4 minutes later than ephemeris time (noon or midnight) is (about) a day earlier in real time. So if you were born at 1.00 a.m. the notification in the ephemeris for your day of birth is meant for your day of birth minus 15 days. And if you were born at 23h55 you'd better use the position of the next day (in a midnight ephemeris, I mean) and take those positons for you day of birth + one. Are you still around?:) I am beginning to long for a computer program! 


Now what do you do with this new day-month found for Greenwich Time and ephemeris time? This new date enables you to quickly calculate the next aspect by using the aspect table in the ephemeris. For example, when there is an aspect on your day of birth at 2:30, then it takes about 37 days after the new found ephemeris-date or table time to complete that aspect (2.5 x 60 = 150 /4). Computers and machines can help you to find the exact moment. And I am happy with computer calculating programs and the free charts provided on the internet, because I know by experience what it takes to calculate by hand! 


EXTERNAL LINK
Found a pdf about calculating secondary progressions by Robert P. Blaschke. 


You can also go to Astromarkt.net for more about Progressions! Or buy a book about calculating charts. It is good to know what a chart is. Another word for these kind of progressions: 'secondary progression. The movement of the Sun, Moon and planets in one day provides a preview of the developments in one year. 




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The transit Saturn opposition Moon experience

Ever experienced transit Saturn in hard aspect with progressed Moon? It is depressing! It is marking a nasty period to remember. For me it is about being ill too long and watching sad stories.

Remember that on October 6 I had an acute vertigo with Pr A/M opposition Neptune and shortly after an exact transit Saturn conjunct Neptune in Libra? It was very accurate 'Astrologic' for being ill in the field of balance (Libra). They told me that I would be cured in maximum 6 weeks. Most sites tell that and some people think that I should have been better because the books and sites say so. But it has been 8 weeks now and I am not much less dizzy and tired than it was 4 weeks ago! (Though I can write this post now and I couldn't do this in the first week, of course.) I had 3 days to remember how life was before the attack, and I had 47 days more or less seasick and tired. It's not as they said, but thanks to the internet I know that I am not the only exception at all! See the links for info and help in the UK ...It is a very interesting site about Labyrinthitis, written by two young women who have been suffering for months (or years)! I hope that I stop being 'dizzy' much sooner! But I couldn't help worrying, could I, with transit Saturn?

One day I will be OK, I know! That doesn't mean that I haven''t felt Saturn on my Moon! The aspect was exact last Sunday. That is when I watched a sad play (Ivan and the dogs, see YouTube) about the real life story of a homeless boy in Russia, who was sort of saved by dogs and in the end (unlike in the real life story) the dogs died! OMG! This didn't exactly help to make me feel happy! I love dogs (I have Sun sextile Neptune -read about Sun trine Neptune and dog lovers - and see the doggyscope on Astromarkt). It seems that I keep seeing sad stories everywhere! We are all in the middle of an economic and political depression, of course, and life is harder for others, I know, but I am glad that Saturn moves on. However, the old man is on his way to a square with Mars, just before Christmas. I will tell you what happened...

Today, I have one of those days that I would almost believe that the 'virus' (or whatever) has left my inner ear forever (but even though the Moon is in Sagittarius, I hesitate to start cheering).  I feel light and when I shake my head there is only a faint resonation of the movement. Can I see progress in the chart? Yes I can: Transit Jupiter sextile Jupiter. This should mean balance and equilibrium (that is what Hand says about this transit. For some reason there is a lot of balance in the text)! The transit will be exact very soon, on November 30. It will be exact again on January 20 2012 (with a number of transits indicating change and P Moon trine Venus). Maybe there is some progress in between! I consider the Pluto transit to be one of the indications of change and ... come backs! On December 20 transit Pluto is semi square my Progressed Sun. So, maybe just a few more weeks to go. 

What happened to you with transit Saturn with Moon or Mars? And/or how for those who had vertigo once: what transits and progressions accompanied that in your life?


LINKS
1. http://www.labyrinthitis.org.uk/ gives a lot of information!

2. When you have transit Saturn opposition Moon or progressed Moon it is even harder when you try to keep up appearances and look 'normal', even though the mirror shows the contrary. (Have you read the Moon-Saturn post yet?)

3. In the post about Progressed Moon signs and body care I told (myself) that I should take care with dying hair now that I have Progressed Moon in Aries. The day before I had the attack I paid a visit to the hair dresser! 

4. In the post about aspect with Progressed Moon I mentined that with Saturn you tend to have low expectations and worry too much. 

5. I have Prg Moon in the first house and this is what I wrote about that:

Progressed Moon through the first house: growing need to present yourself, emotional coming out

This progressed Moon changes your attitude and often also the way you look. People will tell you how you have changed and find you more attractive. Your emotional coming out might cost you a lot of handkerchiefs...

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Oprah Winfrey's final show

Transit Pluto was on the progressed Moon of Oprah Winfrey, on the day before yesterday, when the final show was made (on television next week). Pluto with Moon intensifies emotions, so I guess that the large amount of hand kerchiefs was needed:). Another sign now is the progressed Sun inconjunct Pallas (symbol of patterns) now that she stops the 25-year range of popular shows on television. Within a few weeks transit Pluto will be on the Sun/Moon midpoint to transform her lifestyle. Of course she decided this a year ago and in the past months there have been many important transits and progressions. For some more about the indications for change in the chart of Oprah (and for the signs of changing times) on this blog, see:

http://astropost.blogspot.com/.../oprah-her-progressions-and-transits-and.html


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Progressions, Pholus and Steve Jobs.

Astropost's January posts are dedicated to the progressed chart. Progressions are indicating developments (changes in the long term). Pholus is the symbol of the turning point. With transit Pholus in hard aspect with a progressed Sun, Moon, AC, MC or planet there is a turning point in a developing career or life in general. Here are some examples, like Steve Jobs (Apple).

The examples show you the effect of Pholus:

• Whoopi Goldbergs' transit Pholus conjunt Progressed Mercury when she 'confessed' to have been unfaithful in the past (turning point in communications)
• L. Ron Hubbards had transit Pholus square Progressed Sun when he became a religious leader (turning point in lifestyle)
• Ricky Martin had his ' coming out' with transit Pholus semi square AC/MC (the midpoint of Ascendant and Midheaven; it means a complete turning point)
• Silvio Berlusconi surprisingly won regional elections with transit Pholus was sextile his Progressed Mars (and P Mars on AC/MC): that is for an easy twist of faith in a battle.
• Among other indications progressed Venus was conjunct natal Pholus when a dog bit the lips of Maradonna. That might have been a turning point in affection or preferences;)
• Father Murphy (not the television character) had progressed Venus quindecile Pluto at age 25, when he became a priest and started abusing boys.

Pholus means a turning piont. See: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2010/04/pholus-files.html

Today Steve Jobs announced that he needs to stop working because of his health. And Pholus was there...Continue for the charts...

Progressions and Sun/Moon midpoint

Heart and Soul Nebula by Nasa

There are a few posts on Astropost about the midpoint Sun/Moon. It is what it says that it is: the point in the middle of Sun and Moon. You need to know your hour of birth to know the position of the Moon and to be able to calculate the midpoint Sun/Moon. That is why the Sun/Moon midpoint is less popular than sunsigns are, but…the Sun/Moon midpoint happens to inform us about motivations, famili life and  the things that you want with heart and soul. 

January is progressed-chart-month on Astropost and that is why this post is dedicated to the progressed Sun/Moon midpoint. That is the midpoint of Sun and Moon in the progressed chart, (Progressed Sun+ Progressed Moon)/2. The aspects with the progressed Sun/Moon midpoint tells us what is your temporary focus and motivation and if there are any events in family life at a certain moment. 

In a progressed chart the positions of Sun and Moon change, of course, as the progressed chart shows positions of 1 day = 1 year later. Sun/Moon also changes with the rest of the chart. When I found out that on my wedding day transit Jupiter was conjunct the progressed midpoint Sun/Moon I was encouraged to find out more about it. Maybe this post is encouraging you to spend some time on Sun/Moon and progressed Sun/Moon! Here are some posts to help you on the way:

Two posts about Progressions with Sun/Moon and about Progressed Sun/Moon:

http://astropost.blogspot.com/2010/10/sunmoon-progressions-and-transits.html

http://astropost.blogspot.com/2008/12/progressed-sunmoon-midpoint.html

Some examples of how to interpret Sun/Moon combinations (Sun/Moon in aspect with other positions)

http://astropost.blogspot.com/2010/10/sunmoon-and-acmc-combinations.html

Sun/Moon midpoints are often in aspect with positions in the partner’s chart. See:

http://astrology-love-romance.blogspot.com/2009/05/sunmoon-midpoint-synastry.html

For those who don’t know what midpoints are:

http://astropost.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-to-interpret-and-calculate-midpoint.html

Also visit: Astromarkt.net with all about midpoints.

Love and Venus in the progressed chart

When love is in the air, love is in the sky above. This must be the conclusion when you see the examples of charts  in times of marriage or divorce. Venus is the symbol of love. And love has many faces. So it is not surprising to see all kinds of aspects with progressed Venus or progressed aspects with natal or progressed Venus when there are changes in love life, wether it is the beginning or the end of a relationship. (And of course: there are other astrological ways to get married, for example with progressed sunsigns changing). 

• Sun-Venus seems to point at love life and sometimes at the ‘love of your life’. 
• Moon-Venus is for falling in love (and being in the mood for love). 
• Venus-Mars is for passion. 
• Venus-Jupiter is perfect for celebrations. 
• Venus-Uranus is for tension (pleasant or not) 
• With Venus-Saturn and Venus-MC formal weddings start and end. 
• Venus-Neptune is for the romantic affair (often secret or platonic love) 
• With Venus-Pluto love is intense or 'renewed'. 

These aspects don't mean that you need to fall in love or get married again. Venus-Uranus sometimes changes preferences and brings new pleasures and hobbies. Venus-Pluto sometimes points at a financial situation or difficult choices to make. And there are more reasons for celebrations (Venus-Jupiter) than a marriage...Here is a list of examples of progressed Venus or progressed aspects with Venus related to marriage, divorce and meeting the partner of your life. Continue to see them...

Aung Suu Kyi and the end of house arrest

The progressed Sunsign of Aun Suu Kyi has changed sign: time for a change in lifestyle. Her house arrest is over. Transit Uranus square natal Sun is another symbol of change (and nerves and upheaval).  What you don't see on this chart is that transit Quaoar is opposition progressed Mars. That is an indication of something happening outside/by others, that is creating a competition or fight. I wonder what will happen next.

LINKS
All  posts about Aung Suu Kyi on this blog listed here...

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