Thursday, August 25, 2011

Saturn-Ascendant, size and Napoleon Bonaparte

Saturn seems to reflect reduced sizes. I first wondered why, since Saturn is the symbol of ambition, too. But then I remembered Napoleon Bonaparte, a small man, they say, with a lot of ambition to expand. I know of three other persons with Saturn close to the Ascendant and they are smaller than usual or don't seem to grow. I know two of them in person. And there is Bono (U2, 1.69m), who has the same seize as Napoleon. The frustrating thing was, however, that Napoleon's chart does not have Saturn on the Ascendant. He has Saturn rising before the Sun. So, I thought, either his chart is not correct (but it is an A-rated chart, though Astrotheme gives 11.00 sharp), or his size is not. I started googling 'Napoleon size' and I was relieved to find the answer to the question how tall Napoleon really was, here... The metric system hadn't been invented yet and there was a difference in French and English 'feet'. Napoleon was not short at all, there was a shortage in communications. In his days he was, in fact, rather tall!
So Saturn conjunct Ascendant is still standing for reducing size. Unless you have a lot of examples of the contrary, of course.

Here is Napoleon's chart:
Did you, BTW, notice that his Sun is 'calling' (not making major aspects in sign or orb 5 degrees)? That is the signal of a person who wants to lead or draw attention, somehow, anyhow. He got what he wanted...I already mentioned the fact that Saturn is rising before his Sun. That shows ambition and points at the importance of management, administration...And  see Quaoar opposition Midheaven: he sure created a new reality in history...The grand trine between Mars, Uranus and Pluto points at successful revolutionary action. The chart of Napoleon Bonaparte shows the man that he was: first of all a man with ambition and a leader at any possible level, with the ability to act by surprise and the goal to create new perspective in his career and position. But it is also interesting to see the afflictions between Mars, Saturn and Pholus. I have seen this combination before. It means a depressing turning point in a battle. Eventually he came to Waterloo...

 Also visit: for example about the aspect between Mars and Saturn


Ananya said...


good post.

I wish share something.My sun has no big aspects,only few minor aspects.I have a need for "shining",and I have saturn square asc,I am ambitious,but not short.

I love reading your blog.

Astromarkt said...

Thank you for your comment, Ananya!:)

babs said...

Al Pacino has Saturn rising in Leo, and he's quite short. He also has his Taurus Sun in the 10th house.

Astromarkt said...

!aha! Another example! Thank you, Babs:)